Bar-Sto Barrel fitting for 3rd Gens

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Good Evening Gents,


So I got this job in the other day and among the task list was fitting a Bar-Sto 357SIG barrel to the fellow's 40RECON.

Seems a lot of old stock Bar-Sto and Briley tubes have been popping up here and there of late so I had a mind to share this repair so you Gents have a better idea of what's necessary to get one of those un-fit or semi-fit tubes to run right.

The owner did a bit of work fitting the barrel but at some point was making no further progress and it found it's way to my workbench.

Problems... In battery but the slide is well proud of the frame at the rear. Cycling the slide by hand... very sticky/binding feel to open a closed breech.

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What we're gonna do here is proceed step by step as if the barrel were completely unmodified.

First we fit the barrel hood or tab to the slide. This is done so the locking lug on the barrel meshes cleanly with the slide's lug when the barrel is cammed upward as the breech closes.

Fitting is done by filing the rear face of the tab here...

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Using a 2 cut pillar file cut a little at a time and checking the fit frequently. Once we have the barrel dropping into the slide cleanly with zero binding we're done...With step 1:cool:

Here the barrel drops right in and there is 0.0025 clearance between he tab & breechface...

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So far, so good, now on to Step 2...

By shortening the barrel hood or tab, we have effectively shortened the chamber. Now we must check the headspace.

Pull out the 357SIG Go & No-Go gauges and check. Here's the Go gauge in the chamber and it's clearly proud of the tab by about 0.050". I'm not even gonna try checking that in the slide, just break out the finish reamer and cut the chamber deeper...

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Using a Manson Precision removable pilot reamer lubed liberally with Viper's venom cutting oil. It took a couple cut, clean, gauge, & repeat until the barrel goes into battery cleanly on the "Go" gauge...

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Headspace gauge checks good. "Go" gauge chambers fine, "No-Go gauge does not. Step 2 complete.

On to step 3...

In step 3 we're going address that problem of the slide proud of the frame when in battery by fitting the barrel's bottom lug. This pic will give you an idea of what needs doing here. I'm holding the pistol with the slide rear flush to the frame as it should be when in battery but here with the slide stop removed. You can clearly see in there a bunch of barrel meat is in the way of the slide closing up properly...

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These next two pics are of a un-molested Bar-Sto 1006 barrel. I'm showing this to illustrate the amount of extra meat on these barrels that permits precise fitting to a particular weapon.

There are two things we need to do here to the 357SIG tube. One is raise, or lower depending on your perspective this flat area so it doesn't bind on the slide stop pin as the barrel cams into battery. We need to keep this flat parallel to the bore axis or slightly taper towards the muzzle

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And two, we need to cut this radius lug aft towards the breechface. We just want to move the lug bearing surface rearward without changing the radius and keeping it exactly perpendicular to the bore axis...

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After a bit of work with a parallel round file and a 4 cut crossing file, here's what the 357SIG lug looks like...

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I smoothed things out a little bit more with a extra fine cratex cylinder, cleaned up and checked the fitment...

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That's exactly what we want to see but, unlocking still has a sticky binding feel so on to step 4...

Checking how the barrel feels in the frame with the slide absent, it appears the fit is too tight between the frame's camming lugs.
We apply some blue to both sides of the barrel and once that dries, assemble the gun and cycle the slide several times...

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Then pull the barrel out and see what's rubbing and where...

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Similar missing dye on both side tells me the barrel is a touch too wide to fit the frame cleanly. Corrected by careful filing with a 2cut narrow pillar file on both sides equally...

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No more binding or sticky feel but one more item to tend too...

Step 5...

It's not terribly clear here but if you look close you may note that the feedramp is on top of the magazine tube...

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I while back I had a 1006 on the healing bench with a rather botched Bar-Sto fitting that mashed and crimped a magazine tube into the frame. Upon firing as the barrel cammed downward and unlocked it came down onto the front of the magazine tube and rolled/smashed it forward and flat.

Part of the goings on here is the fact that Bar-Sto changed the camming lugs position moving them forward same as was done by S&W with the TSW guns to delay unlocking a bit.

That along with the extra meaty feedramp necessitates a bit more fitting.

Simple matter trim the ramp by about 0.025", just enough to clear the magazine tube and not mash anything. Took care of that with a file and a Ikohe belt sander then gave the ramp a bit of extra polish with a cratex cylinder...

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Sorry for the poor focus but you can still make out the magazine tube is now clear of the feedramp.

All back together, lubed and ready to go for a spin:D

Easy Peasy:rolleyes:

Cheers
Bill
 
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Excellent work, BMCM, and thanks for the great step-by-step explanation of the fitment process.

Back in the mid-'90s, my local 'smith hand-fitted an oversized Bar-Sto 10mm barrel to my 1006. He did good work and there were never any malfs with factory 10mm ammo. I did have a few with handloads but those were probably due to inattention by me to COAL and a tight chamber.
 
Another outstanding installment in our community education, Bill. Thank you very much. Now you see a hand raised from the back of the room. That pesky upstart has a question.

“Mr Bill, Mr Bill, that’s cool, but can you go the other way and use a later barrel in a 3rd Gen pistol or even a 2nd Gen with a properly fitted barrel bushing?”

While a few barrels for 2nd and 3rd Gen pistols are popping up, they certainly aren’t common. It looks like Bar Sto has discontinued their manufacture and exhausted their supply. Of course if you or anyone else listening in can give a source to order a 2nd or 3rd Gen barrel currently in stock, it would be highly appreciated.

Froggie
 
gunsmith

a very good report from a good gunsmith ( or machinest ? ).
 
gunsmith

a very good report from a good gunsmith ( or machinest ? ).
 
I just spent $$$ having a Bar-Sto barrel fitted to a Colt 70 series 1911 slide I thought shot good before the changes were made and worth every penny. Do you work for the public? The local gunsmith passed last year.
 
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I learned early on in my career that it is what you don't know that will cause a problem. When I could not fit the barrel, I sent the barrel and pistol to BMCM Custom for professional assistance. As you see and read, Bill not only solved the problem for me but gave us all some knowledge skillfully illustrated and explained.:):):)
 
Well I guess I know where my 1006 is going . I bought one of their 1006 barrels , new/old stock . It said it may need some fitting . By the look of things , it looks like more than that . If they had a gun on hand , which they had to have to make the barrels , what couldn't they make them to fit ? Anyways , I'll be sending you a text .
 
I would love to find a couple of 357SIG barrels for 3rd gens. I love the caliber.

I've fitted 357 barrels to an M&P and M&Pc, so I do have a leg up.
 
Barrel Work

Thank you so much for showing how a Barrel is fitted
to the Slide. Thank you for taking the time to photograph
all, and present it.

I have a better knowledge now on how it all goes to gather
and has to be fitted.
 
I would love to find a couple of 357SIG barrels for 3rd gens. I love the caliber.

I've fitted 357 barrels to an M&P and M&Pc, so I do have a leg up.
I'm prime meat for being corrected swiftly... <-- :D

Would it not be possible to take a comparable 9mm barrel and ream the chamber to fit .357 Sig? You would likely need to run this in a pistol originally chambered in .40 S&W to get the extraction done with the least amount of hassle, but wouldn't this be the answer?

Sourcing .357 Sig barrels made for S&W 3rd Gen pistols sounds like a damn difficult game.
 
I'm prime meat for being corrected swiftly... <-- :D

Would it not be possible to take a comparable 9mm barrel and ream the chamber to fit .357 Sig? You would likely need to run this in a pistol originally chambered in .40 S&W to get the extraction done with the least amount of hassle, but wouldn't this be the answer?

Sourcing .357 Sig barrels made for S&W 3rd Gen pistols sounds like a damn difficult game.

Not so much a correction as a clarification.

On base model 3rd gen 9mm pistols, you are correct, the breech face is too small.

The answer would seem to be a 40 cal. pistol, but on the base model 40s, the breech face is the correct size but now the barrel bushing is too large to accommodate the 9mm barrels.

The only models on which the crossover works are the 40 TSW models which used the same size barrel bushing for the 9mm and 40 models.

I did a few a couple of years ago and now lots of folks are searching for 59XXTSW barrels to have converted.

John
 
I've never really had any interest in a .357 Sig but I admit that this sounds compelling!

Kinda sorta like a 40 necked down to 9 (I know. Longer neck. ;)), but bottle neck cartridges conjure up rifle-like apparitions in my mind. :cool:

As a reloader, you've probably heard tell of "difficulties" when reloading 357Sig, while others say it is no problem.

It's a fun cartridge to shoot, and an easy conversion, if you can get your hands on a barrel.

Easy, except for the reaming, because unlike lengthening a 40 chamber to 10mm or cleaning up a rough chamber, you are plowing steel the entire distance of the chamber.

Lift your weights, get a good night's sleep, eat your Wheaties, pack a lunch, and stay hydrated.

And save your chips!

Just in case you change your mind and want to go back to 9mm. :D

John
 
I've never really had any interest in a .357 Sig but I admit that this sounds compelling!
The .357Sig is, literally, the 'grandson' of the 10mm AUTO, being a cartridge which took the 40S&W case ('son' of the parent 10mm case) and necked it down to .355/9mm.

The non-neutered version of a .357Sig is, of course, the 9x25 Dillon - that being a true 10mm case necked down to .355/9mm. Much more horsepower than the .357Sig, ... and one that finally put some credible nads on the 9-mini chambering.
 
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You can't take a .40 S&W case and resize to .357 Sig, too short. You need to start with a 10mm case.

I have a RIA 1911a2 10mm that I will be getting a .357 Sig barrel for, and will be ordering a factory .357 Sig barrel from Sig for my P229 .40 S&W.
 
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