10mm m&p

[Rastoff]

Does this generation have any equivalent to my generations Sonny Crocket who carries a 357sig and goes after drug dealers? If not, then we (10mm folks) win that one

I don't understand this comment. Sonny Crocket carried a Bren 10 for a little bit, but mostly a S&W 645 and 4506 in .45ACP.

 

[tlawler]

The 10mm seems to be a niche caliber with a small cult following, dating back to Sunny Crockett in Miami Vice. Didn't see the need for 10mm then and don't see a need now.

It's a pretty big niche, then!

 

[fdw]

I'd go for it.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

I think the .357Sig was discontinued due to low sales not problems. At least I've never heard of problems unique to that caliber.

Do a search on this area of the forum using "NCHP SIG Problems" and you'll find a number of discussions and an extended series of messages about the NCHP situation. (My son is a NCHP Trooper, so I heard about it first hand.

The search results includes messages that recount conversations with S&W Customer Service who suggested NOT using .357 Conversion barrels in the 40 version of the M&P.

That said, I have NOT heard of others (civilians) complaining about problems.

 

[bluelund79]

I'd buy a 10mm M&P, and at least 10 mags. I'd love to sell my last Glock, but sometimes carrying 15+1 of 10mm in grizzly country is comforting. And my 1911 in 10mm makes my back ache after a half dozen miles or so.

 

[ukcats]

I'd buy one to replace my Glock 20. I prefer M&P's.

 

[martybee]

I would buy one but, I don't think it will come to pass. I think S&W has learned a lesson from the poor acceptance of the .357 Sig. I doubt they will even put out a limited number to test the market.

 

[NJM15]

M&P 40/357 SIG

I have a .357 Sig barrel for my S&W Best of both worlds, maybe they will produce a barrel for the .10 doubt if the mag will handle .10mm though

 

[lhump1961]

S&W had problems with the .357SIG M&P, and they eventually stopped offering that model.

I wonder whether they'd have similar problems with a 10mm M&P without major upgrades or a redesign?

I have two .357c M&P's and have no problems of any sort with them. One I gave to my Dad so it doesn't get shot much although I shot it a bit before I let it go. The other is mine and I shoot it regularly without an issue of any kind. Very easy to shoot well and never any failures...not one.

Of course I don't know much outside of my own experience but I think it was lack of sales and ammo cost that was it's demise. I load my own so cost is the same as other calibers for me.

I would predict the same for a 10mm M&P. Small group of buyers wouldn't satisfy the sales goals of the stockholders. I wouldn't be interested in a 10mm myself.

 

[Rastoff]

Do a search on this area of the forum using "NCHP SIG Problems" and you'll find a number of discussions and an extended series of messages about the NCHP situation. (My son is a NCHP Trooper, so I heard about it first hand.

The search results includes messages that recount conversations with S&W Customer Service who suggested NOT using .357 Conversion barrels in the 40 version of the M&P.

That said, I have NOT heard of others (civilians) complaining about problems.

Interesting. I don't remember that discussion, but I'm not a .357Sig fan so, I probably didn't follow it. I do find it unique that S&W said not to use a .357Sig barrel in a .40S&W gun because they are the exact same frame and slide and use the same mags.

I have heard of several police departments having trouble with M&Ps though. Caliber doesn't seem to be an issue so much as manufacture lot.

But we digress. This is about 10mm.


I think another issue with building a 10mm is the slide. Because the barrel requires a stronger and longer chamber, it may require a complete redesign of the slide as well. The block around the chamber is how the gun locks up. If this needs to be longer, it will require a slide redesign.

I'll bet that due to the 10mm's limited popularity, S&W doesn't want to go through the expense to design a new slide.

Then there's the question of durability. Will the standard frame hold up to the 10mm's violent nature?

 

[Black Wolf]

I don't understand this comment. Sonny Crocket carried a Bren 10 for a little bit, but mostly a S&W 645 and 4506 in .45ACP.

He might have only carried it for a little bit (one season, I think) but that is more (afaik) than any tv action hero has carried the 357 sig so...... we're cooler

On a serious note, tho - I don't like reloading bottle neck cartridges. So, it would be 10mm for me. That's really it.

 

[Rastoff]

Thanks for that. I knew I was missing something. Now I just feel dumb.

 

[cnj]

Would I WANT an M&P in 10mm? Sure! But I already HAVE a polymer Tanfoglio Witness in 10mm, so the M&P would need to be better than that, meaning more than a 14 round capacity, better durability and after sale support, and a cost of less than $450. I really don't see all of those things coming together based on the available market.

 

[nickcarr]

Only if it's a 5" barrel. A 6" barrel option would be nice too.

 

[Pat Taylor]

Only if it's a 5" barrel. A 6" barrel option would be nice too.

Agree , 5 inch slide and would not mind it being single stack to keep the grip size down.

Imagine if you will the 5 inch .40 stretched just enough to make it a 10mm without making the grip in larger in diameter.

 

[WR Moore]

Just as additional information on the 10 mm, I was issued a 1006 and we used them for 16 years before retiring them. The major user problem was reach to the trigger, which was about that of an N frame. Ours stood up beautifully over years to a steady diet of full power 10 mm, including 5 years of a custom load that pushed the pressure limits.

Now then, we retired them BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET AMMO! Granted, we wanted more than one or two of you fanboys would, but we couldn't even get bids on a multi year contract for X00,000 rounds per year. Now, if we couldn't interest an ammo maker (pre-shortages) in a guaranteed contract, exactly why do think S&W would be willing to engineer, tool up and produce a 10 mm pistol on spec? The market won't support it, and S&W would lose a train load of money.

You'd do much better petitioning someone like Lew Horton who's created special runs of handguns. On the other hand, in most cases, those are slightly changed versions of current production pistols, so that might not work either.

Oh, the replacement M&P40s ran like clocks are supposed to.

 

[ClaytonG]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before in another post but who else wants a 10mm M&P?

You can have one today if you want.

Get a 40 cal M&P with a 5 inch barrel.......shoot Double Tap, Cor Bon or Buffalo Bore P+ ammo.........you'll have 10mm ballistics right there.

 

[Triathloncoach]

I am carrying my Glock 29 with Liberty 10mm 60gr. Recoil isn't too bad and penetration is less than other 10mm bullets. Provided ballistics must not be from a 4" barrel but it still hits hard

With the Glock Models 20,29 & 40, S&W would have a huge challenge gaining significant market share. And the firearms market is not strong at the present time. Just Say No S&W.

 

[zrx4me]

Im a big 10mm fan and it would be great if we could get an M&P 10mm,with 5"barrel.I'll take mine in FDE.

 

[Christopher67]

Yes i would buy a 10mm M&P 2.0, If the Glock 20/29/40 can handle the 10mm I think the M&P 2.0 would do just fine.

 

[slixx1320]

Ohh MAN.... If this was to ever happen I'd be so jealous of you guys. And then soon after that we'll start seeing these M&P 10mm for sale in Cali for 200-300% over retail.

 

[reddog81]

If Ruger, Colt, Sig, Remington, EAA, Dan Wesson, Glock, RIA and a couple others can all come up with a platform that can handle the 10mm I'd think S&W would be able to find some way to make it work.

Everyone who thinks the 10mm is just a small niche round hasn't been paying attention for the last couple years as every major handgun manufacturer other than S&W has been able to garner sufficient support to keep introducing more and more models.

 

[weblance]

My Glock 20 does everything I need for a 10mm, so NO I would not be interested. I WOULD however be interested in an M&P 2.0 Compact in 357Sig.

 

[Christopher67]

If Ruger, Colt, Sig, Remington, EAA, Dan Wesson, Glock, RIA and a couple others can all come up with a platform that can handle the 10mm I'd think S&W would be able to find some way to make it work.

Everyone who thinks the 10mm is just a small niche round hasn't been paying attention for the last couple years as every major handgun manufacturer other than S&W has been able to garner sufficient support to keep introducing more and more models.

I agree 100%

 

[raven28690]

10mm is not new to S&W seeing as how they offered them during the 90's so they already have experience with the cartridge and it shouldn't be an issue for them to offer a M&P in 10mm.

 

[Imissedagain]

10mm in Glocks are carried in black bear country by semi-auto experienced woodsman.
Need one with a safety and the P220 DA/SA has none.... but G20/G29 can be fitted with a thumb safety as I've read.

Anyone knowledgeable about that?
Thx

Just learned another family member is moving to Tahoe.
Family Sheriff has a ranch there and let the fun begin.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Why does the A-10 have the GAU-8? Because it's awesome and destroys everything. I would like that option in an M&P.

Me too. Id buy a M&P in GAU-8 right now.

....but Im probably one of the few that actually WANT a GAU-8

 

[tjkaz]

Great Poll

Was thinking same, thanks for posting.
For those thinking the 10mm is just for chest pounding or blowing things up at the range (which is fun), it is a preferred round in the back country out here with bears and mountain lions whether hiking or hunting. A 10mm in an M&P platform would be great.

 

[Well Armed]

It would be even LESS popular than the 40 s&w. It would be a boutique gun that would NOT sell well. Doesn't make much financial sense for S&W to make the tooling, etc for it.

 

[tjkaz]

It would be even LESS popular than the 40 s&w. It would be a boutique gun that would NOT sell well. Doesn't make much financial sense for S&W to make the tooling, etc for it.

Possibly, but I think otherwise for this reason. When choosing between the 9 and .40, they are pretty much in the same playing field. Shooters think, "should I get a 9 or .40?" Then it comes down to preference. The 9 is a cheaper round to shoot and technology has evolved such that it's as effective as the .40, or even more so - at least the FBI thinks so; hence their switch back to the 9.

The 10mm is NOT in the same playing field as the 9 or .40 with muzzle energy ranging from ~500ft-lbs - ~800ft-lbs depending upon ammo brands and loading. Pretty much fills the gap between 9/.40/.45 and 44 mag. And, it has made quite a comeback in recent years as a number of folks have stated. Clearly Glock and other manufacturers support it both in polymer and 1911 platforms. As such, I believe S&W will do well with this offering as their M&P line has become very popular. But, only time will tell.