110 GR .357

[MR.G]

Have some 110 GR SJHP Winchester .357 that have been in an ammo can for years and thinking about loading in my J frame 2.1/8" for SD. Anyone think this is an good load for SD, or best to stick with a heavier bullet ?

 

[Rpg]

If I had nothing else, I might use a 110 gr.

I wouldn't use anything less than 148 gr. if I have a choice.

 

[kaaskop49]

Absolutely love that load in my Model 60 LadySmith and my steel cylinder M&P 340s. In the steel gun, double taps with this ammo are possible with a bit of practice.

Kaaskop49
Shield #5103

 

[Dennis]

Blow a big entrance hole, at least.
Great on rabbits, though.

 

[CCantu357]

I think the 110 grain .357 is a pretty good round for self-defense. It might not have the penetration of the 158s or the speed of the 125s, but they seem to work well in lighter or shorter barreled revolvers. I believe the Border Patrol used to use the 110s in their Model 19s. The Winchester USA white box seems to be the most common, but I would prefer the Remington green and yellow box 110 grain SJHP for defense. These cost more than WWB, but I think they use low flash powders and sealed primers.

 

[DonD]

I think the 110 grain .357 is a pretty good round for self-defense. It might not have the penetration of the 158s or the speed of the 125s, .

Might not have the penetration? You can be assured it won't penetrate like 158s.

I'd think that their effectiveness would be very marginal in the winter on an assailant with a heavy wool coat & clothing, particularly if the guy was heavy.

I'd bet the ballistics on any "generic" 110s aren't all that impressive for the light weight of the slug. Don

 

[DonD]

I think the 110 grain .357 is a pretty good round for self-defense. It might not have the penetration of the 158s or the speed of the 125s,

Might not have the penetration? I think it is almost certain it won't penetrate well.

I think it's performance against an assailant who was wearing heavy winter clothing, particularly if the individual was heavy would be very poor.

I can't recall seeing 110s and most generic .357 ammo is lame performance wise. If you want to exploit the power of the .357, buy something like Double Tap or Buffalo Bore. Double taps aren't an issue with my Ruger SP101. Don

Edited to say sorry about the double post. When I hit save on this one, nothing came up, thus the second one. Don

 

[jnichols2]

I heard the 110s are very loud and shoot flame like a flamethrower. So I bought a box to impress my visitors.

Compared to 158s they sound like a mouse fart and I really saw no flames. Oh well; they were cheap anyway.

 

[Cal44]

Might not have the penetration? I think it is almost certain it won't penetrate well.

I think it's performance against an assailant who was wearing heavy winter clothing, particularly if the individual was heavy would be very . Don

115 gr 9mm works well and is very commonly used.

Only 5gr heavier and lower velocity and penetrates well.

 

[rct269]

WHOOPS!!

115 gr 9mm works well and is very commonly used.

Only 5gr heavier and lower velocity and penetrates well.

It would appear you're bordering on trying to confuse the folks with facts. You might want to rethink that approach before someone volunteers to stand in front of one of these little pipsqueaks (just to make their point)------wearing a heavy wool coat of course. I know you'd feel bad if their coat got messed up.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[VThillman]

Hornady makes 110gr Critical Defense rounds in 38 Special+P (and 9x19). The bullet is hollow point with a plug in the 'hollow', shaped to initiate expansion. Heavy clothing must make that expansion begin 'early', but...

There is nothing undoable about effective 110 in 357.

 

[ContinentalOp]

My preference is for heavier bullets, but I would not feel undergunned if the 110gr SJHP was what I had on hand.

It's been a while, but the last time I shot WWB 110gr SJHP in a 3" 65 it had the most muzzle flash of any handgun round I've fired. It was a fun load to shoot...bright flash, light recoil.

While ammo properly stored can last almost indefinitely, I'd want to at least pick some random rounds out of the lot and test fire them to make sure they still work, just to be on the safe side. In the middle of a self defense encounter is not the time to find out your rounds are duds.

 

[DonD]

115 gr 9mm works well and is very commonly used.

Only 5gr heavier and lower velocity and penetrates well.

Only 5 grains heavier?? Heavier than what, we're talking about 110 gr slugs. What are you talking about?

I don't think the 110gr load is a significant part of any reputable data on defensive shoots. If you have it, show it. Don

 

[DonD]

This thread smacks of people trying to justify a relatively poor load and ignoring evidence to the contrary.

Hornady 38 Spl +P Crit Defense 110 gr; 4" barrel, 1100 fps/290 ft lbs

Hornady .357 Crit Defense, 125gr, 8" barrel (yes, not a direct comparison) 624 ft lbs

WW White Box 110gr; 1295 fps/410 ft lbs, barrel length unspecified, quite possibly an unvented, relatively long test barrel

My Ruger 3" barreled SP101 .357 runs 1320fps/611 ft lbs with Buffalo Bore 158gr JHPs over an Oehler chronograph.

IMO, anyone who chooses the WW White Box isn't being logical. Don

 

[Warren Sear]

Might not have the penetration? I think it is almost certain it won't penetrate well.

I think it's performance against an assailant who was wearing heavy winter clothing, particularly if the individual was heavy would be very poor...

??? A few layers of winter clothing isn't going to slow down any .357 magnum. I don't recall ever hearing a complaint about a lack of penetration with regard to a .357 magnum.

 

[Lostaro]

I carry 110grn Win. white box .357 in my 3" GP100 often...logical or not it shoots great...by far the most accurate load I've tried in that gun.
I've tested it in water jugs and it penetrates 3-4 jugs and expands/fragments like you'd expect it to.

I know, that's not FBI approved jello but it's what I have. Side by side with numerous .38spl rounds I've tested it looks to be at least as effective as they are...and I carry .38's all the time.

Are there better performing .357's? Sure, but in my mind the accuracy makes up for any performance differences.

 

[ProCarryNAustin]

Quick trip to youtube and there are videos that show it does just fine.

 

[StakeOut]

I hand load my 158gr LSWCHP personal defense ammo one at a time so getting back on target for the next round or rounds is easier.

When the adversary is a ghetto dweller that has seen/experienced violence daily and an intravenous drug user he/she may not go into shock and continue the fight as walking dead.

I'd worry about penetration if my weapon was a .25cal,.most 32cal or 380 and the perp is wearing heavy outerwear.

 

[DonD]

??? A few layers of winter clothing isn't going to slow down any .357 magnum. I don't recall ever hearing a complaint about a lack of penetration with regard to a .357 magnum.

Oh, why do you think the FBI has penetration standards? They don't shoot light loads in their 9mms and fast light JHPs like what Corbon produces don't do well in ballistic gellatin testing, particularly after going through the denim etc barriers.

I doubt a 110gr JHP would be very effective on a shot that was far from perpendicular to the sternum for example after going through a thick wool coat and maybe a layer of blubber on a heavy guy.

Or, how about a car door or windshield and the same winter clothing?

Feel free to chose the 110 when other clearly superior choices are out there. Arguing that the 110 is even remotely the equal of a hot 158 is silly. Don

 

[Old Corp]

W W E D ?
What Would Elmer Do?
LOL! - I know he held a decided disdain for for 'light for caliber' bullets and felt they were a step in the wrong direction.
Yes, he was an ancient dinosaur in a bygone time, but I still respect most of his ideas.

In unpacking my reloading gear in it's new home, I was reminded that I was a speed demon subscriber at one time...lots of 90 gr 9mm bullets, 110 gr. .357 JHP's, 180 gr. .44's, 185 gr JHP .45's.
Now, in maturity I've swung the other way.

Ya'll can have all my share of those cute lil' pills.