$15 An Hour

... IOW we live within our means.

... Long story short don't give me that BS about not being able to live on less that 15 bucks an hour
Sadly, this has become the exception rather than the norm. Minimum wage workers, and those on welfare for that matter, believe that they are entitled to cable tv, all the cell phones they can get, dining out frequently, tattoos, body piercings, you name it. If they can't afford all this stuff on what they make, why by golly, the government has to step in!
 
We have built this lifestyle...

There are a few reasons for that. One is when both parents work, neither wants to spend time cooking at the end of the day. I'm a master of the half hour dinner, meaning that I can whip something up that is tasty and nutritious in about half an hour. Not everyone can do that.

Another thing is that as soon as mom gets home, the kids have to leave for some adult run activty: soccer, scouts, chorus, whatever. Fast food is the saviour.

We have built this lifestyle by our own doing. Both used to work for 'extra money'. It was nice when the father worked and the mother took care of the house and family, everybody sat down for dinner at the same time w/o cell phones, etc.
 
I was at work one and I heard two client employees talking about some task they had to accomplish and the one said to the other " I'm not gonna put up with this "stuff" they only pay me 45 bucks an hour"

I had to get up and walk out of the room.
 
People want to be.....

I was at work one and I heard two client employees talking about some task they had to accomplish and the one said to the other " I'm not gonna put up with this "stuff" they only pay me 45 bucks an hour"

I had to get up and walk out of the room.

People want to be paid more for doing less.
 
She charged me $15/hour (net). She is worth that. I still must pay her Social Security taxes (+12.4%) and unemployment taxes (yes, even for a housekeeper, another 0.6%).

Hmmmmmm . . .. something is squirrelly here. Do you give her a W-2 at the end of the year? A 1099? Employers usually only pay half of FICA which is currently 6.2%.

Color me suspicious but, at first blush, it sounds like she's using the "taxes" to boost her income.
 
There has always been fast food.....

People sold hot dogs, bagles, pretzels and a whole lot of other stuff right off the street for people on the go. I was recognized very long ago that relying on it too much was not good for you.

How many people on those old TV shows used to complain about heartburn and ulcers from eating too much fast food?

Anyway, it's convenient, but over relying on it is the problem.
 
I started tax-paying work at 16, in 1970. Dishwasher and p/t janitorial at a local golf club. I was mowing lawns for money before that. I wasn't from a poor family, it's just that if you wanted something, you were expected to earn it.

Entered the exciting world of heavy construction when I was 17, carpentry apprenticeship at 18, spent 30 years in the trenches, becoming a contractor along the way. I could have gone to college after high school, but nobody was going to help me, and I wanted to get a real life started....

Back in school at age 48 (having figured out that the back and shoulder weren't likely to continue to support me), got a cert. in engineering technology, and thought I might look into jobs in environmental engineering. I found out that nothing was available with my educational level; in fact, even if I had a Masters I could still only expect entry level work at about $15 an hour.

I do residential remodeling sales, estimating and project management now. Straight commission, my paycheck depends on my being good at my job. The position is as near to a perfect fit for my knowledge, skills and experience as I could hope for, and suits me well.

The least I will pay a laborer on my jobs is $15 and hour, but I expect hard work and the ability to show up. I certainly pay people more depending on their skills and productivity, but that's up to me, not anyone else (or the .gov). And, there have been a couple projects I've done that wound up paying me far less than any minimum wage ever set; blessedly few, but it can happen.

I never figured my minimum wage job was going to carry me through life; I worked hard to gain skills, education, and create opportunities for myself. Still doing it, and will probably continue to do so until I die, or at least until it looks like SS will pay my bills.

So, no, not much sympathy for the $15/hr movement. I do realize that America has lost a lot of its manufacturing base, and that skilled technical jobs aren't as easy to fall into as they once were. But the free market system is pretty good at figuring out what people's work is worth, and if someone wants more, they have to be ready to earn it with their increased value to an employer, i.e., getting the skills, education, and experience that makes them a more valuable commodity in the workplace. It really is just that simple, and it's worked that way since people started making things, hunting and gathering, and bartering.

Just looked this up -What cost $1.60 in 1970 would cost $9.62 in 2014.

Yep, not much sympathy... of course it will go through in a lot of places, if not nationally. I guess the min. wage workers will find out how competitive the job market will be then...oh well.............got to go get the yard picked up, got a few bushels of leaves out there. I'm sure not going to pay someone $15/hr to rake leaves. :)
 
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l started working for minimum wage in high school. An hours wage would buy 5 gallons of gas or 4 packs of filter Kools. 0r a movie ticket to the Riviera Theatre to see James Bond in ''GoldFinger''. A years min wage(2000HRS) would buy a new American MADE car..9 months labor would get a VW Beatle...2 weeks a ''Combat Masterpiece'''.. Wanna go to college?? A semester was app 5 months min wage labor.. Don't want college--Fine...Lots of manufacturing jobs around starting at DOUBLE min wage... Time 1965 .. Place- Charleston SC

2015---min wage hr- 3 gal gas.. Pack and a half of Kools. 2 hrs for a movie ticket ..Two Years for a car...A years labor will pay for a semester now and a month labor to get that Combat Masterpiece..Worst of ALL ...NO entry level manufacturing jobs for the inexperienced
 
I have been in fast food joints maybe 10 times in the last 25 years. If they raise prices, I'll go less. Joe

That's why I stopped going to Dairy Queen, it seems like every time you turn around--up goes the prices.:(
 
l started working for minimum wage in high school. An hours wage would buy 5 gallons of gas or 4 packs of filter Kools. 0r a movie ticket to the Riviera Theatre to see James Bond in ''GoldFinger''. A years min wage(2000HRS) would buy a new American MADE car..9 months labor would get a VW Beatle...2 weeks a ''Combat Masterpiece'''.. Wanna go to college?? A semester was app 5 months min wage labor.. Don't want college--Fine...Lots of manufacturing jobs around starting at DOUBLE min wage... Time 1965 .. Place- Charleston SC

2015---min wage hr- 3 gal gas.. Pack and a half of Kools. 2 hrs for a movie ticket ..Two Years for a car...A years labor will pay for a semester now and a month labor to get that Combat Masterpiece..Worst of ALL ...NO entry level manufacturing jobs for the inexperienced
Interesting thoughts. I would be willing to bet that at least in the case of cigarettes and gas, the inflation-adjusted price differences between 1965 and now are due to TAXES. Government mandates have had a big impact on car prices.
 
We moved into a brand new brick veneer 3br house in 1962. $13500 w/fireplace.. Sister bought a 64 Mustang 260 V8 new $2508. 1965 HS class ring- RB Stall High. Balfours 14k gold $72!!.. Fall tuition to Baptist College(now Charleston Southern) $816
 
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If $15 per hr is implemented The businesses that can afford them will survive. Those that can't will fail. I used to run several trucks and hire drivers. I found that with the work ethic of the workers of today, I'm better off with only myself to support. The lack of waste and added upkeep more than even out. When there are fewer jobs for bad employees. The good workers will do better. If you are worth the going wage, you will still have a job. Margaret Thatcher said it all about socialism, same deal.......
 
I'm loathe to admit that this store is in SC.:(


PS Why should I ever get an education if I'm never going to use it?

Orry Main would be having a conniption fit over that spelling. This is in reference to a character that Patrick Swayzee played in the mini series, North and South. :D
 
Look at the positive side of this. Perhaps soon we can go into one of these restaurants and be greeted by a robot who speaks english, did not ignore the bathroom sign enjoining patrons to wash their hands, and did not take a jaundiced view of us and expectorate in our food.
 
It's nothing funny going on here. :D She is an independent contractor by law so she gets a 1099. The housekeeper/nanny rule is different in that I pay SS and give her a 1099.

Learn something new everyday.

This whole 1099 thing confuses the hell out of me. Until about ten years ago I worked as a computer consultant. People would call me and say, "Hey, my computer is broken." and I'd go fix it. Most of my clients were lawyers and stockbrokers. I'd give them a printed invoice and they'd write a check. I never got a 1099 from anyone.

Now it sounds like if I hire a guy to paint my basement, I need to get his info so that I can send him a 1099.

One would think that it is the responsibility of the businessman to report his income and not his customers.

If the aforementioned painter works for 100 different people in a year, that means he would have 100 different 1099s to deal with. Whatever happened to the idea of reducing paperwork?
 
It's nothing funny going on here. :D She is an independent contractor by law so she gets a 1099. The housekeeper/nanny rule is different in that I pay SS and give her a 1099.

Completely off topic but actually unless your business/s corp is contracting with her you aren't required to file a 1099 or pay any taxes/ss for her. It would be different if she were a full time live in nanny/housekeeper in which case she'd be an employee not an independent contractor and you still wouldnt file 1099s, you'd file W2s. 1099's are only filed when payments (of more than $600 per calendar year) are made as part of your trade or business to independent contractors and not for personal expenses.
 
Completely off topic but actually unless your business/s corp is contracting with her you aren't required to file a 1099 or pay any taxes/ss for her.

I looked it up, there are special rules for household workers. Probably because they know that most household workers are illegal aliens.
 
I looked it up, there are special rules for household workers. Probably because they know that most household workers are illegal aliens.

Again, still off topic, the relevant rules are described in detail here - https://www.irs.gov/publications/p926/ar02.html if the household help is defined as an employee then the employer (the home owner) must file a W2 not a 1099. If the household help is an independent contractor then they are solely liable for reporting and filing their income themselves unless the payer is a business.

Do You Have a Household Employee?

You have a household employee if you hired someone to do household work and that worker is your employee. The worker is your employee if you can control not only what work is done, but how it is done. If the worker is your employee, it does not matter whether the work is full time or part time or that you hired the worker through an agency or from a list provided by an agency or association. It also does not matter whether you pay the worker on an hourly, daily, or weekly basis, or by the job.

Workers who are not your employees.

If only the worker can control how the work is done, the worker is not your employee but is self-employed. A self-employed worker usually provides his or her own tools and offers services to the general public in an independent business.
A worker who performs child care services for you in his or her home generally is not your employee.
If an agency provides the worker and controls what work is done and how it is done, the worker is not your employee.
 
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