1911 fire more then once with single trigger pull?

[pasound]

I had a Randall 45, a full size 1911 Colt copy in all stainless. Possibly one of the first stainless 1911's. The fit was sloppy, and after ~500 rounds of mostly hardball, it started double tapping. I took it to a local gun smith who quoted me nearly the cost of the pistol to replace the soft internal parts. I sold it to the gunsmith at a loss and was glad it was gone.

 

[Ethang]

somebody likely filed down the firing pin..makes them all fully semi auto....

 

[ChattCat]

Used to short a 1911 Delta E in 10 mm, was at local USPSA match had it go full on me. Kinda cool but scary. Needless to say that was it for the day. Gunsmith found the disconnect was worn down. Replaced no issues. Yes they will.

 

[TLflag]

1911,s

Always remember Argentine or Brazile had selector switches installed on some of their 1911's some years ago. Boy did those work!

 

[AJ]

somebody likely filed down the firing pin..makes them all fully semi auto....

Filing down the firing pin?? Makes a gun go full auto?? I believe that would make it not fire......

 

[AJ]

I had a Randall 45, a full size 1911 Colt copy in all stainless. Possibly one of the first stainless 1911's. The fit was sloppy, and after ~500 rounds of mostly hardball, it started double tapping. I took it to a local gun smith who quoted me nearly the cost of the pistol to replace the soft internal parts. I sold it to the gunsmith at a loss and was glad it was gone.

I do believe that your gunsmith took you to the cleaners. To buy a used Randall nowadays they are pricey. A friend had a Curtis LeMay and it was a nice piece. The "soft internals" probably could have been purchased for $50 or less. Hope you are not still dealing with him......

 

[Dvus]

Never had a 1911 do that, but I had a Luger make all 7 rounds sound like one with heavy recoil. The little thumb button on the magazine cracked, and a small piece found it's way into the mechanism. I had no idea until then that the Luger could cycle so fast.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

But I have never seen one fire more than once per trigger pull. Does this actually happen?

Yes it does. The culprit in my experiences has been a bad "sear" or a bad "disconnector".

Shoot enough with the 1911 and eventually it will happen. When I did Competitions I always had a second 1911 available as a replacement. Usually its two shots, "doubling" but I have seen three or four shots in a row. I have heard of shooters emptying the magazine too.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Shooting 1911's for +50 years ,

I also have been shooting M1911's for well over 50 years.

Checking in with 60+ years shooting 1911s. Thank you Uncle Sam.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

I do believe that your gunsmith took you to the cleaners. To buy a used Randall nowadays they are pricey. A friend had a Curtis LeMay and it was a nice piece. The "soft internals" probably could have been purchased for $50 or less. Hope you are not still dealing with him......

Randalls were junk in 1983 and only lasted two years as a Company for that reason.

Still I would only go with blue steel 1911s today. Now for a BBQ I would bring a nickle 45 out.

 

[biku324]

I had a wonderfully accurate actual 1911 (not A1) that would occasionally double up. It had been accurized by someone who really was an artist, but had many, many post-mod miles. I replaced the hammer & sear and solved the problem. It took months to find an actual 1911 hammer.

 

[AJ]

In Jerry Kuhnhausen's book "The Colt .45 Automatic - A Shop Manual" , he has a section on troubleshooting the ailments of the M1911. On Page 100 the sears and disconnector problems are listed. He lists 26 problems that the sear can give you and none are doubling. He lists 7 problems that the disconnector can give you and 3 of the 7 are doubling. There are six pages (in small print) of problems that arise. No where in those six pages are any doubling problems, except the disconnector problems. So if he is wrong, I am from Missouri - Show Me.

 

[AJ]

Randalls were junk in 1983 and only lasted two years as a Company for that reason.

Still I would only go with blue steel 1911s today. Now for a BBQ I would bring a nickle 45 out.

If they are junk then there must be a lot of stupid folks out there and prices in the Blue Book are up to over $2K for some of the models.

Read this: The History of the Randall Firearms Company Read to the end. Words like high quality and innovative are used.

 

[biku324]

In Jerry Kuhnhausen's book "The Colt .45 Automatic - A Shop Manual" , he has a section on troubleshooting the ailments of the M1911. On Page 100 the sears and disconnector problems are listed. He lists 26 problems that the sear can give you and none are doubling. He lists 7 problems that the disconnector can give you and 3 of the 7 are doubling. There are six pages (in small print) of problems that arise. No where in those six pages are any doubling problems, except the disconnector problems. So if he is wrong, I am from Missouri - Show Me.

I'd need a 'way back machine.' I owned that 1911 from '76 to '80. On the advice of Dale Siler, Ozark Shooters in Springfield, MO, I changed those two parts and had no more doubling.

 

[Greyman50]

Our armorer on the Army team always checked every disconnector, sear, rear of trigger, hammer and all springs. We never had a 1911 double or more. However some old timers mentioned 1911s “ in the past” had gone FA. “ Stuff happens”.

 

[pasound]

In the case of my Randall, bad sears, bad trigger, bad hammer wear. Parts were probably cheap to the gunsmith, but he realized he was putting lips on a pig. The earliest Randalls were not good. Everything was out of spec. Later ones, and shown as "unfired" or "low rounds" on auction sites are still not collector items if ever used as shooters.

Ok, I had a bad time with mine. I now own an RIA 1911 A1 FS, set up like a target pistol, and is, for a sweet price at a LGS a few years ago. I won't sell it or trade it for anything else.

 

[AJ]

I'd need a 'way back machine.' I owned that 1911 from '76 to '80. On the advice of Dale Siler, Ozark Shooters in Springfield, MO, I changed those two parts and had no more doubling.

Never heard of Siler. You probably never heard of the .45 'Smith that taught me a bunch of stuff. He was Jim MacDonald of Mac's .45 Shop of Seal Beach, Ca. Wilson has heard of him as there is a picture of one of his shooters pictured in the very first picture of Wilson's first book.

Have seen the sear and hammer interface being incorrect and allowing the hammer to follow the slide back up, but have never seen it cause a doubling. But just because I never saw/heard of it does not mean it hasn't happened.

 

[AJ]

In the case of my Randall, bad sears, bad trigger, bad hammer wear. Parts were probably cheap to the gunsmith, but he realized he was putting lips on a pig. The earliest Randalls were not good. Everything was out of spec. Later ones, and shown as "unfired" or "low rounds" on auction sites are still not collector items if ever used as shooters.

Ok, I had a bad time with mine. I now own an RIA 1911 A1 FS, set up like a target pistol, and is, for a sweet price at a LGS a few years ago. I won't sell it or trade it for anything else.

Nothing is ever a "collector's item" until he buys it and tells you it is!

 

[crstrode]

Occasionly a M1911 will double fire or the hammer will follow the slide to half cock when the slide is dropped not from "Home Gunsmithing" but from normal wear. Many eons ago when I shot in bullseye matches it was a proceedure to hold the hammer back on the M1911 when dropping the slide to limit the wear on the sear.

Don't need to be worn for a double. Happened to me with a relatively new and unmodified 1911. After that l incident, it functioned perfectly for at least a zillion rounds at many IPSC matches. Still works great today, 40 years later.

 

[Muley Gil]

Only had that problem with the Ranger. Never with any other aftermarket frame. Never had a problem with any U.S. GI parts that were new. Some dealers sell used parts and that may be where the problems arose. To me the Ranger frames were the lowest on the pole.

I have a full size aluminum Ranger framed 1911. I built it back in 1981. Shot it for 18 years without a problem. It started having feeding problems and I put it away for a few years. It's working fine now.