21 to buy guns? What else?

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dben002 said:
I think you may have missed the point, or perhaps I did not state it clearly........Do not want to compromise if possible but if
given no choice then.....I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.
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Problem is there is no "rather one or the other" to the anti's. Its one today, another tomorrow.

We cannot possibly be hated any more by the anti's than we already are, so why compromise? They NEVER compromise.

We cannot be any more vilified by the media, so why care what they print in pursuit of their agenda to completely disarm America?

Borrowing from another campaign: When they make a proposal, JUST SAY NO.
 
ExRanger714 said:
why GCA '68 says 18 yoa long guns but 21 handgun?

Anybody got reliable data on why they legislated the difference?
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Most probably because in those days the anti's were attacking handguns. One more example of their pursuit of their end game of total disarmament.
 
BAM-BAM said:
In another thread Joe Scarborough (sp?) on MSNBC is all but starting a "Top 10 shootings" by body count list................calling out to nut jobs "Can you top this?"

Note: Morning Joe's ratings have fallen from #28 to #47 in cable news shows in the past year.
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Sounds like "yelling FIRE! in a crowded theatre" to me. I was always told doing that was not covered by the 1st.

But then, remember when the body count of US casualties from the sandbox stopped as soon as the previous POTUS took office?
 
It seems a bit hard to get a solid list of mass shootings where the shooter legally purchased a AR and was between the age of 18 and 21. It appears the last shooter is the only one.

I understand that 18 to 21 year olds are low hanging fruit here as are bump stocks but changing a law that adversely effects millions because one person miss used an AR seems a bit ridiculous and that is just common sense.
 
Actually, how can there be any age limit on firearms purchasing? The right is absolute, unlike a driver's license or alcoholic beverages. Why can't little Johnny buy a gun at 14?
 
dben002 said:
I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.

With the "current" gun culture, it may become necessary to accept something less than perfect in order to protect all our 2A rights.
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If you think they will stop at age restrictions I have this bridge...
 
When I was young the drinking age was 18 for a few years then they moved it back to 21. 18 was considered an adult that could enter contracts, vote, etc. I never understood why the 21 drinking laws weren't discrimination & wondered why no one ever challenged it.
 
brigeton said:
When I was young the drinking age was 18 for a few years then they moved it back to 21. 18 was considered an adult that could enter contracts, vote, etc. I never understood why the 21 drinking laws weren't discrimination & wondered why no one ever challenged it.
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Alcohol was the subject of two US Constitutional Amendments. Prohibition and its repeal. In the repeal the individual states were given authority to regulate alcohol.

The drinking age change to 21 was tied to federal funding. States did not have to raise the age, but if they did not they would loose out on significant federal funding. (Similar to the 55 mph speed limits in the 1970's). This change was driven by research that shows a young person's brain does not completely develop until they are 25 and alcohol destroys brain cells.

Many states (actually most) always had a 21 year age for spirits and only beer/wine was allowed at 18.

There were challenges; however, the US Constitution give the states the authority to regulate alcohol and it had already been settled in courts across the country that the ability to make, sell and consume alcohol was a privileged, not a right. That's why states license manufacture and sale of alcohol.

Sorry to be long winded about this but it was partially the subject of my doctoral dissertation.

Bill
 
It's all really very simple in "their" minds

18 year old's are "smart" enough to VOTE, hold rallies and influence laws, Join the Military and have a gun and kill the enemy, but not old enough to drink or have a gun on their own.

Makes perfect sense to "them":rolleyes:
 
At 18 you are considered an adult. Except when you are not. Adult-Lite. Restricting some of the rights of adulthood. If you are old enough to die serving our country, you are old enough for everything. Whether you serve or not.

Absolute Baloney. I'm fine with 21 to be an adult. But don't cherry pick the rights of an adult. Let's test all drivers at 75.

Over 12 is adult at movie theaters. And you can't see R movies.
 
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dben002 said:
I support the NRA. Have a lifetime membership. I don't agree with everything they do, but they are our biggest and best protection of the 2nd amendment.

I would much rather see a age restriction on weapons purchase rather than an all out ban on certain weapons.

With the "current" gun culture, it may become necessary to accept something less than perfect in order to protect all our 2A rights.
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As long as "We" are not expected to accept something less???
 
Cardboard_killer said:
Actually, how can there be any age limit on firearms purchasing? The right is absolute, unlike a driver's license or alcoholic beverages. Why can't little Johnny buy a gun at 14?
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The right is not absolute, the US Supreme court may be the one to decide if the issue get to them.
 
I have to wonder what percentage of school shooters even purchased the long guns they used, as opposed to "borrowing" them from family members. If it is a minority who've purchsed their guns, as I suspect, then this debate would seem to be driven more by incremental gun control agendas rather than logic (as usual).
 
There is only one reason for this new push for gun control and
it has nothing to do with the safety of our kids in schools. It is
just another attempt to chip away at 2nd Adm.

The gun is a needed excuse for the Sheriff to deflect attention
from their fumbling. Politicians jump on the bandwagon to get
votes. They have blamed everyone from Trump to the NRA.
Bussiness has publically broken ties with the NRA.

It is natural for grief stricken people to need something to blame.
Who was it that started on Trump & NRA? It was politically
motivated and pushed by the media. If you are looking for
sense in this, you won't find any. It is strictly a political ploy and
some are using it as CYA for their bungling.
 
Has anyone noticed that auto insurance rates drop at age 25? That's because accident rates drop significantly about that age, indicating an increase in maturity. Perhaps our representatives should look into the actuarial data, which abounds.
Another unsolicited opinion: Those in military service are at least adequately trained and supervised while armed (that's why we have NonComs). If they can't be trusted or are wackos they are generally relieved of duty. None of this is true of a non-military 18 year old buying any firearm.
 
I got my drivers license at age 12 so I could drive the delivery truck for my Grandfathers business. I was so short I had to sit on two pillows so I could peer through the steering wheel.I bought my first 22 semiautomatic rifle around age 13. Never shot anyone and never had an accident.

I think our current crop of young people would be as capable if given the chance.
 
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