.22 LR Failure To Fire?

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We have an open to the public area for shooting in my town. There are concrete tables available, but the rest is up to the shooters to monitor, no range master or such.

I have always noticed a bunch of primer dented but unfired .22 LR on the ground. I have been taking my 11 year old granddaughter with me lately and she asked about them. We picked a few up and left them on the table. Yesterday we brought her 6 year old brother with us. He started picking them up and before long had at least a large (my hand) handful on the table. They were all brands represented, American and foreign.

What is going on? Is the quality going downhill? Is anyone else noticing this in your area? I really don't have problems with any .22 LR that I shoot.
 
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Rimfire is not as reliable as center fire. It is not uncommon for a box of 500 bulk ammo to have a couple of duds. When I get a dud I may rotate when I reload and that usually takes care of the dud.

More expensive stuff - target ammo, etc. - is generally more reliable. But the bulk Winchester, Federal, Aguila, Remington, etc. will often have duds, some brands more than others.

This has been going on since I have been shooting - and I started shooting .22's about 1979.
 
I agree with Pef, always been an issue with range .22. I mostly shoot Remington Golden Bullets and there's always a fed duds, although many will fire on a second strike.

In the past CCI Mini-Mags were better but now I have the same amount of failures with them. Sometimes the Mini-Mags actually have the bullet seated crooked in the case.

Dave
 
There is a high to me anyway a high failure rate to fire with 22LR ammo and the older it is the higher the rate. Some brands are worst then others but they all have some failures. The other thing is some of the guns people are using at the range can be really dirty or just problematic and that can cause failures to fire.
 
The ammo makers "Try" their best to get the primer material
spread around the base of the tiny 22 case but it does not always happen. One reason they may fire when struck in a different area of the rim.

I read that some of the primer makeup is fine glass particles, to add in the saturation of the material in the case. I thought that weird...........
and yes , loose bullets do happen but in rifles, they tend to work ok.......not to good in my pistols though.

Good shooting.
 
I pick them up and save them. If they're clean I reshoot them with no problems at all. The dirty ones and the dented ones I pull the bullet and pour the powder in a container of old gunpowders from pulled unknown reloads. Later to be spread on the ground at night and lit!
 
I pick them up and save them. If they're clean I reshoot them with no problems at all. The dirty ones and the dented ones I pull the bullet and pour the powder in a container of old gunpowders from pulled unknown reloads. Later to be spread on the ground at night and lit!

+1 as hard as they are to get why not try to refire them. Also shows no respect for others leaving duds on the ground so little ones can pick them up. Probably wouldn't do any good putting a barrel there as they probably wouldn't place duds in there anyhow.

What till little Johnny or Suzie takes some home and their anti parents see them or worse get hurt buy them by throwing them in a fire or hitting them with a rock or something or worse yet take them to show and tell at school. There goes your range. Do they leave centerfire cases there now there worth collecting.
 
I attribute it to weak firing pin springs or dirty, poorly maintained guns. I haven't had a 22lr round to fail to fire in years. The last time it did, a weak spring was the culprit.
 
Or magazine issues. Many of my failure to fire have been with new magazines that needed to be tweaked in one way or another.
 
If the firing pin hit the rim of the case, I don't see how there is a magazine problem. A failure to feed, however, is a different issue.

Kind of an interesting point.

A few years ago I was having failures to fire on what seemed to be far too many .22s, even for Remington Golden Bullets. This was using three different Advantage Arms conversion kits for Glocks. My kits are cleaned after every range trip and the striker channels cleaned at 1K rounds each so it wasn't dirty.

I compared the striker from a new kit to the older kits and the old strikers were very rounded. I've seen the same thing on other .22 pistols that had been dry fired a lot, even though mine are rarely dry fired.

Once I put new strikers in the kits my failure rate dropped almost to zero. Even though the old strikers were hitting the rim of the case, the dull strikers weren't igniting the primer. Here's a picture. The two on the left are from old strikers and the two on the right are from new strikers.


Just to be careful these days, when dry firing the kits (you have to in order to disassemble) I use a #4-6 x 7/8 anchor.


Dave
 
I've got a couple hundred I've picked up over the years with a single firing pin strike. I don't like seeing duds on the ground. It never fails to surprise me that so many shooters never try them a second time.
 
There is a high to me anyway a high failure rate to fire with 22LR ammo and the older it is the higher the rate...
The other thing is some of the guns people are using at the range can be really dirty or just problematic and that can cause failures to fire.

It hasn't been my experience that older ammo is less reliable. I still have some from the 1960s that I just never got around to shooting. Its the dreaded Remington Golden Bullet, hollow point. And its been very reliable for me. Its why I kept it, as a standard of performance and accuracy in one specific rifle. I understand your mileage may vary. I also even used to cherry pick yard sales (barn sales, more correctly). My favorite to look for was the Winchester with the tiny writing impressed in the case, the nickel plated ones. For decades when I saw a box of it, I'd just buy it. Even partial boxes, it didn't matter.

And over the years its been good (and cheap) ammo for me. Guess those days are long gone now. Ammo is gold.

My guess of why I've had more spotty luck with recent ammo is that the production speed of the machinery has been increased to the point where the priming compound hasn't been adequately spun into the rim. Thats really what we're talking about here. I have no access to production speed on 22 ammo. But I'd bet that 50 or 60 years ago it was much slower than today. I could be wrong.

What I base my conclusions on are years and years (yeah, I'm that old) of looking at misfired 22 ammo. I never miss the opportunity to pick up what looks like a loaded round and inspect it. I've been doing that since my father first took me along to a range. Its a habit that I've never been broken of. I guess. In my early years I was just interested in looking at the headstamp. Then I started becoming interested in the firing pin dent.

Didn't take my dad long to show me how to "disassemble" them. I'm thinking he used it as a teaching moment, and it had the added benefit of making sure the round would never be fired. So the procedure is pretty simple. You take along 2 pairs of pliers (I'm also stupid and don't know why one is called a pair). You just grip the case in front of the rim and the bullet with the other and bend it. The bullet smears its way out and the powder can get dumped on anything green. Its supposed to be good fertilizer. The purpose, other than making the round safe, is to see what's in the rim.

From long years of experience, if you find a round with 2 dents in the rim, almost always there is no priming. At least I've never found one with any. I've more recently found a few cases with some compound, but its not all the way around the rim. A drop that wasn't spun into the rim, so to speak.

Maybe we have an expert here that can step up and answer some questions. Target grade ammo almost never has a misfire. Do they get more compound, or is it spun better? Why the difference? To justify the higher price?

Back up to the quote above. The very first thing you do with any gun that starts to misbehave is to clean it. No, not just wipe it down with an oily cloth and call it good. Or spray it down with some WD and consider it clean. Clean it with Hoppes or whatever your favorite powder solvent seems to be. We're talking 22s here, and S&W 22s have the awful frame mounted firing pin. That channel needs to be flushed out to the point where nothing off color flows out. And then the chambers need a genuine chamber brush put to work. Yes, I'll accept a .25 caliber rifle brush or even a .32 lubricated with Hoppes #9. MilSurp bore solvent will also do the trick. But always followed up with a clean patch showing no discoloration.

Its the very first thing you do with a gun that is misfiring or is reported to be misbehaving. It works maybe 99% of the time. Good enough for my kind of work. Those who preach there is no reason to clean a 22 are the ones most often found with misfires. Another reason misfired rounds often go off at the second hitting is the first snap seats the cartridge in the chamber. Grit build up cushions the first blow.
 
I cannot agree that rimfire has always been unreliable. I call BS on that notion. Tens of thousands of Winchester-Western or Remington-Peters tells me differently. Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifle ammo was consumed in copious amounts when I was young. I cannot recall even one not firing, not one. But more recently I have many not fire. It doesn't matter if I use my 41, 22A, or K22. Something has changed!
 
I've had only one that hasn't fired out of over 3000 rds in my Ruger 22/45. It was a Winchester bulk pack. Hit it with the firing pin on 3 different spots before I gave up.
 
I cannot agree that rimfire has always been unreliable. I call BS on that notion. Tens of thousands of Winchester-Western or Remington-Peters tells me differently. Shorts, Longs, and Long Rifle ammo was consumed in copious amounts when I was young. I cannot recall even one not firing, not one. But more recently I have many not fire. It doesn't matter if I use my 41, 22A, or K22. Something has changed!


I think why you are getting misfires today is because they are running 24/7 and naturally more errors occur as a result.
 
If you shoot enough .22 LR you will have failures to fire. It is inevitable due to the rimfire and failures in manufacture and handling. If you shoot the $10 a box of 50 "match" ammo you will have fewer misfires. Misfires are why the NRA pistol matches have the "alibi rule" that allows a shooter to shoot another make up string in timed and rapid fire events if they get a misfire in one.

A good percentage of the rounds you have picked up will likely fire if struck in a different location on the rim. I've pulled apart several misfired round and found that most didn't have priming compound in the rim area where it was struck by the firing pin. Others have no priming compound around the rim at all and you could see a piece or pieces of priming material mixed in the powder. These are the real duds. One can assume that many rimfire rounds go off without complete dispersment of the primer compound simply because the firing pin hit in a location by chance where there was primer.
 

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