22 Magnum viability or not?

[CH4]

Don’t know why not, fellas here think it’s similar to the 5.7.

Rusty, Ohio is a fly around state.

 

[Rustyt1953]

re .22 Mag SPL decibels vs the rest of the pack.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Rusty, Ohio is a fly around state.

Only when I am sunbathing.

 

[Mark8]

The 351PD is such a nice concept, 7 shots of .22 WMR in a very small, super light gun with little recoil that could be shot from a pocket if need be. But as others have said, it's a rifle round, you lose so much energy when going to shorter barrels. Maybe that's the reason for S&W making a 4" 617 but not a 4" 648.

 

[Inusuit]

The only time my primary carry is .22 Magnum is when I'm on the tractor and wearing ear protection. The PMR 30 is very effective on small to medium sized varmints. I don't expect to encounter a miscreant while I'm mowing or moving dirt, but the PMR would be adequate for that use as well. Just my opinion. My EDC is a Glock 19 and I occasionally have the NAA revolver as a backup.

 

[RCL-09]

re .22 Mag SPL decibels vs the rest of the pack.

So it is quieter than a .22 LR and .25 ACP

But isn't as loud as a:

.45 ACP
.380ACP
.38 Spl
9mm
.41 Mag.
.357 Msg.
.44 Mag

So does that give pause to using most all other handgun calibers?

 

[CH4]

The 351PD is such a nice concept, 7 shots of .22 WMR in a very small, super light gun with little recoil that could be shot from a pocket if need be. But as others have said, it's a rifle round, you lose so much energy when going to shorter barrels. Maybe that's the reason for S&W making a 4" 617 but not a 4" 648.

They sure made a bunch of 4” 48s.

There’s been an “as new” 351PD sitting at a LGS for 6+ months, or least it was there the last time I was in the states. Been thinking about it since I first saw it. Just got back to town last night. Will go look at it again. Hopefully, he’ll come off $795.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

So when my Kokomo Buddy Carl discharged that Black Widow into the floor right between his feet and my feet,
160 decibels .
I knew it was loud!
Between Airplanes, Guns and Rock and Roll -
I’m lucky to hear anything!

 

[Marshal Tom]

Besides the fact that there are much more effective choices for SD, rimfires are just not as reliable as centerfire as specially with lower quality ammo. Many of the guns in this category also have very heavy triggers to make them more reliable and if the trigger is lightened, it can cause ignition problems.

 

[somorris]

My thinking is that if a .22 LR or WMR is what you can comfortably carry and shoot, it is a whole lot better than nothing! Let us know what you decide!

And welcome to the forum. I thought you might be just stirring up conversation until I read you second post. I understand better now, and thank you, Data, for explaining why you are thinking in this direction.

 

[Heinz]

First, the proper choice is what she likes and will carry. Second, if using a 22, you want to use solid bullets, not hollow points. It is penetration you want to get to vital areas.
Third, you also are better off to go with a revolver because of possible ignition problems with a rimfire.

My personal options, I would also consider a high quality automatic myself because the likelihood of a misfire or misfeed is very low in a good pistol and the 22 is easy to rack. My wife's personal favorite was a Ruger Bearcat. She was very accurate and fast with it. Her second choice was a Model 66 in 4 inch with +P+, but she said it was a "Purse Full"

An, welcome to the Forum

 

[357-RevolverGuy]

I think it is a viable option for concealed carry. I own a 351C and compared to several different J-frames I have owned over the years, it's been the lightest one to carry and easiest to shoot. It's known that J-frame revolvers in 38/357 can be hard for a novice to shoot well. The only negative I have is that rimfire triggers do have a heavier pull. So even though recoil is light make sure to take that into account if you have weak hands.

Also the ammo companies mentioned; Hornady, Federal, CCI/Speer, have all been manufacturing 22 mag rounds made specifically for short barrel revolvers. Having the right ammo is key with this caliber. The majority of 22 mag is designed for rifles. Speer Gold Dot is one of my favorites. Hornady's Critical Defense is also a serious contender for anyone wanting to conceal carry. There are lots of Youtube videos out there showing expansion and penetration. I'll post one below but you can search those on your own time.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2XwUlCWqLE[/ame]

 

[Rustyt1953]

So it is quieter than a .22 LR and .25 ACP

But isn't as loud as a:

.45 ACP
.380ACP
.38 Spl
9mm
.41 Mag.
.357 Msg.
.44 Mag

So does that give pause to using most all other handgun calibers?

At 152db and 157db respectively there is a 5db rise between a .22
LR pistol and a .22 Mag pistol report.

A 1 dB change in a sound equates to about a 26% difference in sound energy (remember that a 3 dB difference is a doubling of energy levels). In terms of subjective loudness, a 1 dB change yields just over a 7% change . A 3 dB change yields a 100% increase in sound energy and just over a 23% increase in loudness.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Welcome to the campfire!

Data wrote:

Due to being a fragile old man and being weak as a result of a related health issue, I have once again find myself opting for a better firearm that requires less dexterity skill or skills and more use of gross movement. Hence, the Revolver. No slide to rack, No round to chamber, no clearing out a SP,DF or Squib malfunction. Love the simplicity of a double action revolver. Well, that's my two cents worth on the matter. ;-)

I have a twin brother who doesn't know a muzzle from a hammer and he is not at all weak but his reasons for wanting a revolver are exactly the same as those I highlighted above. Whether he ever gets his New Jersey permit and then obtains a revolver is a whole nuthuh smoke but at least our Mr. Data here is ahead on that score, he knows he needs a gun and he wants it forthwith, etc. As long as he's armed with something, as an earlier post pointed out. You've got to have a gun in a gunfight!

I can attest to the decibel level of the .22 Magnum. I haven't fired this weapon in years but it resides in the pocket of my robe so that even at home I have a handgun on my person, not just in special locations around the house that I have to "get to".

Of course, it doesn't go into my pocket unsheathed:

Years ago a Forum member described using just such a gun to escape from captors in Vietnam. An interesting story and the best use of a .22 Magnum that I ever heard..

 

[RCL-09]

At 152db and 157db respectively there is a 5db rise between a .22
LR pistol and a .22 Mag pistol report.

A 1 dB change in a sound equates to about a 26% difference in sound energy (remember that a 3 dB difference is a doubling of energy levels). In terms of subjective loudness, a 1 dB change yields just over a 7% change . A 3 dB change yields a 100% increase in sound energy and just over a 23% increase in loudness.

That's all well and good, so does that give you pause to using most all other handgun calibers?

 

[Rustyt1953]

That's all well and good, so does that give you pause to using most all other handgun calibers?

Why would it? In the astronomically unlikely event that I have to discharge a carry piece in self defense the last thing on my mind in that split second won't be "am I going to hurt my ears"?

 

[cadmike]

All you get is a very loud revolver: so loud as to make it very uncomfortable to shoot.

So how loud is the bad guys gun? Is that uncomfortable too?

 

[Autonomous]

That's all well and good, so does that give you pause to using most all other handgun calibers?

So how loud is the bad guys gun? Is that uncomfortable too?

Good grief.

 

[RCL-09]

Why would it? In the astronomically unlikely event that I have to discharge a carry piece in self defense the last thing on my mind in that split second won't be "am I going to hurt my ears"?

You seem to be arguing that its overly loud.

 

[Rustyt1953]

You seem to be arguing that its overly loud.

I am arguing nothing. Others, not I, opened the SPL door on the .22 Mag
allowing me to walk in. I will leave you to tilt at this particular windmill alone.