Boy, that was nasty.
I was merely having a conversation. Obviously I shouldn't have bothered. I made no claim you had stated a position.
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22 Magnum viability or not?
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Boy, that was nasty.
I was merely having a conversation. Obviously I shouldn't have bothered. I made no claim you had stated a position.
I would have no problem with a 22 mag for self defense. I am waiting for for the prices to drop on the Taurus 942 light weight 22 mag 2”bbl revolver with a 8 round capacity to carry around the property when out and about.
In a self defense situation, you shoot to stop the threat.
120 decibels is the threshold of pain. At 157, the person you are defending against might decide the blast from a 22 mag is to much and stops their attack.
If 8 rounds doesn’t do it, maybe a shattered eardrum might.
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In a self defense situation, you shoot to stop the threat.
120 decibels is the threshold of pain. At 157, the person you are defending against might decide the blast from a 22 mag is to much and stops their attack.
If 8 rounds doesn’t do it, maybe a shattered eardrum might.
Just Sayen
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US Border Patrolman Bill Jordan thought that an airweight J frame in 22 magnum would be an ideal concealed carry gun, and he discussed it in his book, No Second Place Winner. Finally, decades after that recommendation, S&W finally made the gun Jordan thought would be ideal.
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Once more into the breach. A HS .22 Mag derringer was my "Onion Field" gun on the job. Small enough to be missed in an amateur frisk and also small enough that it wasn't recognizable as a gun in my hand. My purpose was not to deter or take into custody, but to kill my captor and escape. I thought the derringer a better option than a .25 auto. Today I might opt for a micro .380.
A J-frame size revolver has the same intimidation factor regardless of caliber, so if that was all I could handle for self defense, I would do so.
A J-frame size revolver has the same intimidation factor regardless of caliber, so if that was all I could handle for self defense, I would do so.
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Anything that pierces skin is worrisome to me.
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Snub Nose Revolver Capacity
Chambered in .22LR and .22RFM
S&W 43C .22 LR = 8 Rounds Weight = 11.4oz
S&W 351C .22 WMR = 7 Rounds * Weight = 11.4oz
Ruger LCRx .22 LR = 8 Rounds. Weight = 14.9oz
Ruger LCR(x) .22 WMR = 6 Rounds * Weight= 15.4 & 16.6oz
Taurus 942 .22 LR = 8 Rounds n/a
Taurus 942 .22 WMR = 8 Rounds n/a
Snub Nose Revolver Capacity
Chambered in .22LR and .22RFM
S&W 43C .22 LR = 8 Rounds Weight = 11.4oz
S&W 351C .22 WMR = 7 Rounds * Weight = 11.4oz
Ruger LCRx .22 LR = 8 Rounds. Weight = 14.9oz
Ruger LCR(x) .22 WMR = 6 Rounds * Weight= 15.4 & 16.6oz
Taurus 942 .22 LR = 8 Rounds n/a
Taurus 942 .22 WMR = 8 Rounds n/a
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We keep an old HS 22 Mag Derringer around.
Carried it without grips while working on boats long ago.
Snakeshot for garden work.
Index finger along barrel.
Trigger pull with middle finger.
A Smith or Ruger snub in 22Mag works more better.
Walther has this.... but not in all steel.
WMP – www.waltherarms.com
Carried it without grips while working on boats long ago.
Snakeshot for garden work.
Index finger along barrel.
Trigger pull with middle finger.
A Smith or Ruger snub in 22Mag works more better.
Walther has this.... but not in all steel.
WMP – www.waltherarms.com
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Not viable. Better than nothing, but only if it's all you have.
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No go for serious business.
Good grief! You are showing your age with the “onion field” gun comment I carried one also for the exact same reason.
IMO the .22 Magnum with short-barrel ammunition is superior to the.J-Frame size 2” barrel 38 Special revolver. Even out of a 4” barrel the .38 Special struggles in knock-down power. It generally needs a JHP at 1100 fps for expansion. From a 2” barrel not likely to get that. (I know,I know that they also come in .357 Magnum but let’s get real about shooting a five rounds double action rapidly and hitting the K-Zone).
I have a Taurus 8 round .22 Magnum revolver. It came with a test target with a 8 shot group measuring 1 3/4”. I shot a slighty better 1 5/8” 8 round group with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Ammunition.
(I actually think the J-Frame snubby in .32 Magnum is superior to both of the .22 Magnum and .38 Special but the .32 has fallen by the wayside).
My J-Frame .38 revolver is my fishing gun. It is stainless steel and I load 2 or 3 shot shells and 2 or 3 158 gr. Lead Semi-Wadcutters. Shotshells are for snakes and the lead semi-wadcutters for other critters including those that walk on two legs.
I think 22 Magnum ammunition is made to a higher standard than 22 L.R. as I have never had a misfire with the 22 Magnum. Speer Short Barrel Ammunition is high quality.
I have a Taurus 8 round .22 Magnum revolver. It came with a test target with a 8 shot group measuring 1 3/4”. I shot a slighty better 1 5/8” 8 round group with Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Ammunition.
(I actually think the J-Frame snubby in .32 Magnum is superior to both of the .22 Magnum and .38 Special but the .32 has fallen by the wayside).
My J-Frame .38 revolver is my fishing gun. It is stainless steel and I load 2 or 3 shot shells and 2 or 3 158 gr. Lead Semi-Wadcutters. Shotshells are for snakes and the lead semi-wadcutters for other critters including those that walk on two legs.
I think 22 Magnum ammunition is made to a higher standard than 22 L.R. as I have never had a misfire with the 22 Magnum. Speer Short Barrel Ammunition is high quality.
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Boy those derringers were neat. Certainly a last defense....
A lady I know wanted a pistol for protection. She's a bit older and very petite and had trouble with slides and very recoil sensitive with revolvers. The final choice was a Charter Arms Pathfinder in .22 Mag. with a three inch barrel (think mini Bulldog). After some coaching, training and practice she is very proficient with it. It's much better than nothing, or a handgun she can't shoot well.
It's common knowledge and everyone knows that with good shot placment a .22 LR & .22 WMR has the capability to disrupt the central nervous system, and is lethal. Do you suppose the .22 LR/WMR is not capable of such? I am curious to know what you think? There is no right or wrong answer, but I will take in account your opinion if you should care to explain in detail or perhaps elaborate your life experience as such.
I seem to remember that story, although I'm not sure if I read it here. One of his guards had gone ro relieve himself, and he asked the other guy if he could have a smoke. Instead of pulling a smoke, he pulled the derringer and shot the one guard in the eye, then took his weapon and dispatched the other one.
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If I carried something in 22wmr I would look for the most capacity possible. I've owned my Keltec PMR30 for 10yrs. With a 30rd capacity and just over one pound fully loaded it would be my choice in that caliber. The trigger pull is nothing like what you get in a revolver. It is a full size firearm but can still be concealed easily in a holster or purse.
Next step up for me would be a Bersa Plus 380 (15rds), M&P Shield Plus 9MM or SIG P365 in either 380 or 9MM. All three have been excellent shooters for me and offer a decent enough capacity for SD.
Next step up for me would be a Bersa Plus 380 (15rds), M&P Shield Plus 9MM or SIG P365 in either 380 or 9MM. All three have been excellent shooters for me and offer a decent enough capacity for SD.
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..same here...everyday for the 11 years I was with DPD. Was in a Bianchi #6 IWB holster clipped to the body armor under my left arm. Still have the gun.
To me the HS Derringer was the best hideout BUG made...as I recall it was running in the 1200s with Wincheter 40 grain ammo...
Since KelTec came out with the P32 .32 ACP the HS hasn't seen much BUG time however. Smaller, flatter, lighter and 3X the ammo capacity plus the pocket clip...
Love the .22 Magnum in both handguns and rifles... My around the yard gun is a NAA Black Widow in a pocket holster that has a compartment for extra ammo...
Welmome, and good luck with your choice...Bob
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I would NOT carry a two shot anything as my primary CCW. Having said that I'll relate a personal experience.Without all the filler, the story is, I was shot down and captured by soldiers of the NVA.I had previously carried a privately owned Python through two tours in the "Pearl of The Orient". Knowing the Army was getting tough on privately owned weapons[POW]I chose not to risk the confiscation of my gun the third time around,I started looking for alternatives. I had about settled on a J frame lightweight until I gave a thought to my High Standard .22 Mag Derringer.Testing on blocks of laundry soap and wet phone books showed me that the .22 Mag Winchester 40 gr. jacketed HP was as good or better than the .38 Spl. To put a point on it , I smuggled the High Standard into country. When captured by two stalwarts of the NVA, they took all 3 of my knives , my .45 pistol, my wallet[Geneva Convention card] my cigarettes,lighter and my boots.What they didn't find was the High Standard hidden away inside my flight jacket. After several hours of walking the wrong way[for me!] they took a break on the trail. One went into the woods to answer the call of nature, the other was eating a rice ball. Since he wasn't going to share any food with me,I mimed that I wanted a smoke. He gave me my cigarettes and lighter. When I put them in my pocket he looked askance at me. The last thing he saw was a.22 Mag in the eye.His partner came running out of the woods with his AK in his left hand and his britches in his right. My next shot hit him in the collar bone and disabled him 'til I could get the first ones AK.Two observations,first their mother raised stupid children, second, the .22 Mag,when well placed IS DEADLY.Again, I wouldn't want one for a primary carry gun but as a deep concealment back up I trusted my life to it and it did not fail me.I still have the High Standard but if I need deep back up these days I carry a NAA .22 Mag revolver.I hope I haven't bored anyone with this recollection. Nick
I would NOT carry a two shot anything as my primary CCW. Having said that I'll relate a personal experience.Without all the filler, the story is, I was shot down and captured by soldiers of the NVA.I had previously carried a privately owned Python through two tours in the "Pearl of The Orient". Knowing the Army was getting tough on privately owned weapons[POW]I chose not to risk the confiscation of my gun the third time around,I started looking for alternatives. I had about settled on a J frame lightweight until I gave a thought to my High Standard .22 Mag Derringer.Testing on blocks of laundry soap and wet phone books showed me that the .22 Mag Winchester 40 gr. jacketed HP was as good or better than the .38 Spl. To put a point on it , I smuggled the High Standard into country. When captured by two stalwarts of the NVA, they took all 3 of my knives , my .45 pistol, my wallet[Geneva Convention card] my cigarettes,lighter and my boots.What they didn't find was the High Standard hidden away inside my flight jacket. After several hours of walking the wrong way[for me!] they took a break on the trail. One went into the woods to answer the call of nature, the other was eating a rice ball. Since he wasn't going to share any food with me,I mimed that I wanted a smoke. He gave me my cigarettes and lighter. When I put them in my pocket he looked askance at me. The last thing he saw was a.22 Mag in the eye.His partner came running out of the woods with his AK in his left hand and his britches in his right. My next shot hit him in the collar bone and disabled him 'til I could get the first ones AK.Two observations,first their mother raised stupid children, second, the .22 Mag,when well placed IS DEADLY.Again, I wouldn't want one for a primary carry gun but as a deep concealment back up I trusted my life to it and it did not fail me.I still have the High Standard but if I need deep back up these days I carry a NAA .22 Mag revolver.I hope I haven't bored anyone with this recollection. Nick
Any gun in a storm, but:
*rimfires *may* have less reliable ignition
*rimfire DA revolvers tend to have heavy triggers
*rimfire autos tend to be finicky
*rimfire derringers tend to have only 2 bullets
*when intimidation fails (or with an animal), more power might be handy
An NAA mini is useful because it’s size lets it do some things another caliber gun couldn’t. Beyond that, I’d go bigger hole.
Reloading can help the recoil aspect while still giving you options. You can always put target loads in your J - with the last one being a 357, LOL…
*rimfires *may* have less reliable ignition
*rimfire DA revolvers tend to have heavy triggers
*rimfire autos tend to be finicky
*rimfire derringers tend to have only 2 bullets
*when intimidation fails (or with an animal), more power might be handy
An NAA mini is useful because it’s size lets it do some things another caliber gun couldn’t. Beyond that, I’d go bigger hole.
Reloading can help the recoil aspect while still giving you options. You can always put target loads in your J - with the last one being a 357, LOL…
The mere appearance of a firearm stops over 99% of confrontations. So caliber is of virtually no relevance. Having a gun - any gun - is key.
However, if you should actually have to shoot someone, bigger is better. If you think it could happen to you, carry the biggest caliber you can comfortably handle. E.g., how quickly can you fire a second shot on target?
However, if you should actually have to shoot someone, bigger is better. If you think it could happen to you, carry the biggest caliber you can comfortably handle. E.g., how quickly can you fire a second shot on target?
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Many will caution against it because it's a rimfire cartridge and therefore less reliable by design than centerfire, but in my experience, modern premium rimfire ammunition is extremely reliable, and .22WMR is definitely powerful enough out of a pistol to be effective as a self-defense cartridge.
Nevertheless, .22WMR is indeed potentially less reliable than a centerfire cartridge, and when fired from a short barreled handgun is similar in energy to .380 ACP. So generally speaking, you're better off carrying a .380 ACP Pocket Pistol like the Ruger LCP, which holds more rounds than a .22WMR Revolver, is faster to reload, inherently more reliable, and offers ballistically similar performance with a larger diameter bullet.
Nevertheless, .22WMR is indeed potentially less reliable than a centerfire cartridge, and when fired from a short barreled handgun is similar in energy to .380 ACP. So generally speaking, you're better off carrying a .380 ACP Pocket Pistol like the Ruger LCP, which holds more rounds than a .22WMR Revolver, is faster to reload, inherently more reliable, and offers ballistically similar performance with a larger diameter bullet.
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