38 special, 6 inch barrel, nickel finish

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That’s the limit of my knowledge perhaps someone here can identify if further. My wife had this for years as a defense weapon. I have upgraded her with a more modern revolver of this century. I don’t have the original grips. It has some plastic stag horn grips. I have shot it with some low powered SWC and it functioned properly. Corrosion is visible on the end of the barrel and the butt. They say a picture is worth a thousand words; here’s ten thousand words.















Underside of barrel serial number


Bottom of butt serial number


 
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First of all, Welcome to the FORUM! Second, I think that she is a pretty neat old Smith! I think that the corrosion you speak of, may come off. (try Flitz) I had a 1905 4th. change, 6" blue. (1919) It did not look as good as yours. I shot it for a few years.(no issues ever) It was a gift from my Dad. My oldest son has it now. You are correct in shooting lighter loads.
Find some older age appropriate grips, and you are good to go! Bob
 
You have a 1926 or 1927 38 Hand Ejector Military & Police, Fourth Change. The correct square butt stocks to look for would be Walnut Diamond Service stocks with a convex round top and no medallions. ebay has these type stocks for sale quite often, so keep tabs on the website.

I can't tell exactly how much nickel is left on the gun, since the bare steel has been polished bright. By the 1920s, these revolvers had improved design and steel that could handle any standard 38 Specials, be it hollow-point, round-nosed, or jacketed.
 
Welcome, from Louisville. You'll find this to be a great forum.

That's a fine old revolver, and you did a nice job of photographing it.
 
I have one listed with a SN about 6000 lower which shipped in April 1927. S&W did not use the "Model of 1905" nomenclature at that date, but some collectors continue using it to denote any M&P revolver made up through WWII. This is because very little changed in its design from 1915 until 1945. It's called a .38 Military and Police (M&P) model with a square butt. It's fully the equal of any "Modern" revolver of today, maybe better than many. Shine it up all over gently with a good metal polish (such as Flitz), and keep it waxed to preserve the nickeling. Look on eBay for a pair of period correct K-frame grips. The 1920's style (no medallion, diamond checkered) show up occasionally. But any pair of square butt K-frame grips will fit it, so if you want something more "Modern" looking, go for it. You'll find everything on eBay.
 
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Thank you for the welcome and the rapid responses. I am surprised that this is from 1927. Its good condition led me to believe it would be from the 50’s. I have halted the corrosion, but the pitting will be forever, I’m afraid. While I have no intention of selling this revolver would being a 1927 in this condition put it in the $300 to $400 range?



 
First - welcome to the Forum. You will find this to be a friendly place and the source of all kinds of useful information!

I am surprised that this is from 1927. Its good condition led me to believe it would be from the 50’s.
Here are some things to look for in the future, regarding the general era of the .38 Military & Police revolver:
1. The "mushroom" shaped extractor rod knob. These pretty much went away in about 1927, being replaced by a "barrel" shaped knob. This eliminated one of the two cuts on the underside of the barrel. By late 1947, that also had been eliminated, replaced with a knurled end of the rod, resulting in no increased diameter at the end and eliminating the need to machine a notch on the bottom of the barrel. So a 1950s gun would not have a knob, just the knurled end.
2. The shape of the hammer changed dramatically in 1948, when the high speed hammer came into general use. Your hammer's spur is high on the hammer, coming nearly straight back from the body of the hammer. In the 1950s there would be a noticeable drop in elevation from the body of the hammer to where the spur takes off.
3. Just under the cylinder release (thumb piece) on your revolver is the visible, rounded end of a pin. This is the end of the threaded hammer pivot stud. On January 18, 1946, a management order mandated the replacement of this part with a pressed stud, which was polished off flat on the outside of the frame. No longer did you find the divot and rounded stud end showing on the frame's left side. All 1950s K frame revolvers would reflect this difference.
4. Patent dates on the barrel. These were pretty much gone by the end of 1948, although I have logged a very few that shipped in 1949, but those were certainly guns that simply sat in the vault longer than they should have. It is highly unlikely they were assembled after about mid-year 1948.

While I think DWalt is correct that your revolver probably left the factory in 1927, there is a slim chance it was in the prior year. S&W did not ship in serial order. I have, in my collection, an M&P serialized at 531xxx that letters to February, 1926. Since we don't know how fast these were shipping during those two years, and since they didn't go out in order, we have to allow some latitude in our estimates. Only a factory letter can nail the date down with certainty.

would being a 1927 in this condition put it in the $300 to $400 range?
I think that is about right. The original nickel makes it a bit more attractive than most that we see, but I suspect $400 is about tops for this one, given all the factors. Personally, I would probably draw the line pretty hard at $350.

I hope you find this post to be helpful.
 
The M&P in this photo is wearing stocks that would be correct for your revolver.
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Now that I see the close up of the barrel, I will need to retract my statement about corrosion coming off. That will remain regardless. Pitting is kinda forever. You still can enjoy shooting it. Bob
 
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