3913 vs XDE

[Telecaster]

P.S. Who around here really wouldn't consider a SA/DA Shield or a M&P 45acp optics-ready longslide with a hammer and a drop safety?

If S&W hadn't been trying to compete with Gloque, and instead competed with itself, they might have developed a polymer version of their boat-anchor (I say that lovingly) 3rd Gen series. They could have made a polymer 3913, but I can't imagine it would save any weight, only cost.

 

[GaryS]

I posted something similar to this a few months ago and was roundly criticized by a couple of members. You made me feel better!

If you think about it though, a polymer framed 3913 would make sense for civilian, if not LE use. Although there are certainly a LOT more polymer framed LE guns made by S&W, Block, and others these days.

If S&W hadn't been trying to compete with Gloque, and instead competed with itself, they might have developed a polymer version of their boat-anchor (I say that lovingly) 3rd Gen series. They could have made a polymer 3913, but I can't imagine it would save any weight, only cost.

 

[nocents]

wow....looks like SA made an HK SP30sks
.....or a P2000sk.......I have both but my 3913NL is still on my person daily

 

[SOTVEN]

If S&W hadn't been trying to compete with Gloque, and instead competed with itself, they might have developed a polymer version of their boat-anchor (I say that lovingly) 3rd Gen series. They could have made a polymer 3913, but I can't imagine it would save any weight, only cost.

AMEN TO THAT FRIEND!! TO THIS DAY, I WONDER WHY THE SIGMA??? WHY??? THEY COULD HAVE JUST DONE WHAT YOU SUGGEST! AND KEEP THEIR BOAT ANCHORS IN PRODUCTION FOR THE REST OF US THAT LOVE THEM. SOME THINGS I WILL NEVER COME TO UNDERSTAND, OR COME TO TERMS WITH... AND NO, COST IS SECONDARY. BERETTA, CZ, SIG SAUER, ALL WENT MATTEL, BUT KEPT THEIR METAL GUNS TOO FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM.

 

[SOTVEN]

James,


You must have an interesting shape. With the Browning's barrel being 1 1/4" longer, an exposed, cocked hammer, and thicker and longer grip, please...enlighten us. How so?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! WELL, I HAVE BEEN CC A 4506 FOR YEARS. AT 6'2" AND 280 LBS, TO MUCH BEER BELLY TO KNOW THERE ARE 42 OZ OF SPRINGFIELD STAINLESS LURKING IWB! ALL IS POSSIBLE IN THE END!!

 

[SOTVEN]

I honestly think the 9mm Smiths are just an offering for them to say they make a 9mm. The real advantages of the third generation handguns comes into play once you get into the 40 caliber or even one of their magnificent 10mm units. That is when you really can tell the difference, and what the heavy third generation pistols were made to do.

HMMM.... YES FRIEND, THE BHP IS A GREAT GUN, BUT WHO CAN ARGUE OTHERWISE FOR ANYTHING THAT CAME FROM MASTERMIND JMB REALLY. HOWEVER, SMITH & WESSON WAS NOT ALWAYS THIS LIBRELAL DOORMAT THAT HAS BECOME IN THE PAST DECADES. JUST A SMALL HISTORY REMINDER FOR THOSE THAT PERHAPS FORGOT AS THE TIME PASSES. FIRST AMERICAN MADE 9MM (M39), FIRST PISTOL TO REPLACE REVOLVERS/FIRST 9MM TO BE ADDOPTED BY POLICE STATE SIDE(M39), FIRST HI CAPACITY (UP TO 30 ROUNDS) DA/SA 9MM WORLDWIDE (1971 M59), FIRST OFFICIAL AMERICAN 9MM WITH THE SEALS (MK22), MOST 9MM MODELS VARIATION THAN ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER AT A POINT, AND MAYBE STILL SO TO THIS DAY. IN ALL FAIRNESS, I THINK, THE 9MM NOMENCLATURE SHOULD BE RENAIMED FROM LUGER & PARABELLUM TO SMITH & WESSON. LOL!!!

 

[James&theGiant1911]

why the all caps shouting?

No certain makers are known for the particular round that they helped to develop.

Luger 9mm
Colt 45
S&W 40 caliber

even to a more recent extent the Sig .357 cambered in 357 Sig.

a necked down 9mm.

This is a basically how it breaks down with the best firearms in each caliber having a certain maker.

 

[petepeterson]

why the all caps shouting?

No certain makers are known for the particular round that they helped to develop.

Luger 9mm
Colt 45
S&W 40 caliber

even to a more recent extent the Sig .357 cambered in 357 Sig.

a necked down 9mm.

This is a basically how it breaks down with the best firearms in each caliber having a certain maker.

James, how could you leave the glorious .45 GAP off of your list??? It's perfection in a cartridge!

BTW, you eloquently skirted around my question above...

I'm just pulling your chain- I'm leaving in 15 to go run some rounds through my HP!

 

[Arik]

AMEN TO THAT FRIEND!! TO THIS DAY, I WONDER WHY THE SIGMA??? WHY??? THEY COULD HAVE JUST DONE WHAT YOU SUGGEST! AND KEEP THEIR BOAT ANCHORS IN PRODUCTION FOR THE REST OF US THAT LOVE THEM. SOME THINGS I WILL NEVER COME TO UNDERSTAND, OR COME TO TERMS WITH... AND NO, COST IS SECONDARY. BERETTA, CZ, SIG SAUER, ALL WENT MATTEL, BUT KEPT THEIR METAL GUNS TOO FOR THOSE THAT WANT THEM.

Beretta just lost their contract so we'll see how long the 92 remains.

CZ is made I a different country with different raw material prices and wages.

Sig is loosing to itself. Many departments are replacing their old P series with the 320 or something else. As orders fall off so may the guns.

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[SOTVEN]

why the all caps shouting?

No certain makers are known for the particular round that they helped to develop.

Luger 9mm
Colt 45
S&W 40 caliber

even to a more recent extent the Sig .357 cambered in 357 Sig.

a necked down 9mm.

This is a basically how it breaks down with the best firearms in each caliber having a certain maker.

ONCE AGAIN, THE CAPITALS ARE DUE TO KEYBOARD ISSUES, SWITCHING TO ENGLISH ONLY HAS CAPITALS.

I AM MISSING YOUR POINT FRIEND. ARE YOU SAYING THAT EACH COMPANY SHOULD BE KNOWN FOR THE CALIBERS THEY INVENTED?

 

[SOTVEN]

Beretta just lost their contract so we'll see how long the 92 remains.

CZ is made I a different country with different raw material prices and wages.

Sig is loosing to itself. Many departments are replacing their old P series with the 320 or something else. As orders fall off so may the guns.

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PERHAPS YOU HAVE A POINT FRIEND, MAYBE ITS THE END OF SEASON FOR METALIC HANDGUNS. I GUESS TIME WILL TELL. HERE IN EUROPE HOWEVER, METALICS STILL ARE SOUGHT AFTER. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT IS MORE ECONOMICAL TO PRODUCE SOMETHING IN THE US, THAN EUROPE AND THEN SHIP IT TO THE US. PERHAPS THE REASONS WHY BERETTA AND SIG SAUER MOVED PRODUCTION THERE. NOT SURE WHAT THE COSTS ARE IN CHECH REPUBLIC FOR THE CZ MANUFACTURE. TIME WILL TELL.

 

[Arik]

PERHAPS YOU HAVE A POINT FRIEND, MAYBE ITS THE END OF SEASON FOR METALIC HANDGUNS. I GUESS TIME WILL TELL. HERE IN EUROPE HOWEVER, METALICS STILL ARE SOUGHT AFTER. AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, IT IS MORE ECONOMICAL TO PRODUCE SOMETHING IN THE US, THAN EUROPE AND THEN SHIP IT TO THE US. PERHAPS THE REASONS WHY BERETTA AND SIG SAUER MOVED PRODUCTION THERE. NOT SURE WHAT THE COSTS ARE IN CHECH REPUBLIC FOR THE CZ MANUFACTURE. TIME WILL TELL.

It's not all money. Countries like Germany and Switzerland have laws about what they can and can't export. Which is why you have a Sig USA and not to many real Swiss Sig rifles

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[SOTVEN]

It's not all money. Countries like Germany and Switzerland have laws about what they can and can't export. Which is why you have a Sig USA and not to many real Swiss Sig rifles

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PERHAPS YOU ARE RIGHT FRIEND. I REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE EXPORT LAWS OF GERMANY SWITZERLAND OR ITALY, AND I CAN NOT HAVE A CERTAIN WAY OF FINDING THEM OUT. I HAD READ IN THE PAST, BERETTA HAD MADE ITS PISTOL FACILITY IN MERYLAND, BECAUSE THAT WAS A DEMAND IN THE MILITARY CONTRACT. TO BUILT THE PISTOLS ON US GROUND. SO, THIS IS ONE IS IN PAR WITH WHAT YOU SAY. OTOH,I READ THAT THE F92 WAS CHOSEN OVER THE P226, BECAUSE IT WAS A DOLLAR LESS PER PIECE. THEREFORE, I THINK, EVEN THOUGH AS YOU SAY OTHER FACTORS ARE IN PLAY, COST MIGHT STILL BE THE MOST CRUCIAL.

 

[Arik]

PERHAPS YOU ARE RIGHT FRIEND. I REALLY DO NOT KNOW THE EXPORT LAWS OF GERMANY SWITZERLAND OR ITALY, AND I CAN NOT HAVE A CERTAIN WAY OF FINDING THEM OUT. I HAD READ IN THE PAST, BERETTA HAD MADE ITS PISTOL FACILITY IN MERYLAND, BECAUSE THAT WAS A DEMAND IN THE MILITARY CONTRACT. TO BUILT THE PISTOLS ON US GROUND. SO, THIS IS ONE IS IN PAR WITH WHAT YOU SAY. OTOH,I READ THAT THE F92 WAS CHOSEN OVER THE P226, BECAUSE IT WAS A DOLLAR LESS PER PIECE. THEREFORE, I THINK, EVEN THOUGH AS YOU SAY OTHER FACTORS ARE IN PLAY, COST MIGHT STILL BE THE MOST CRUCIAL.

It wasn't a dollar less it was simply that Beretta outbid Sig on parts. The chosen company had to provide not only the gun but also spare parts

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[gxceb0t]

Now that they have been out for a bit, does anyone have any experience with the xde?

 

[3S16]

Plus one for the CS9!

 

[pazzo]

Now that they have been out for a bit, does anyone have any experience with the xde?

Lots of really nice guns in this thread, love my CS9 and would like to find a 3913.
I do have the new XDe and it's been 100% through about 700 rounds. Top heavy feeing at first but the more your shoot it the better it gets. Extremely accurate for me also. Remind me of a single stack P2000, but the DA is better and the SA/reset a little further out.

It suites me very well.


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[gxceb0t]

Lots of really nice guns in this thread, love my CS9 and would like to find a 3913.
I do have the new XDe and it's been 100% through about 700 rounds. Top heavy feeing at first but the more your shoot it the better it gets. Extremely accurate for me also. Remind me of a single stack P2000, but the DA is better and the SA/reset a little further out.

It suites me very well.


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Is it much larger/heavier than the cs9?

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[URIT]

My vote goes to the 3913. I'm sure it shoots like my cool weather CCW 3908.

 

[digiroc]

Plastic Striker Fired or All Metal Hammer Fired ...

I will always go with an all metal weapon and consider the third generation of Smith & Wesson semi-autos the pinnacle of this class of weapon.

My 3913NL is a fine example of this, action job by "T" (Teddy Jacobson) and slide refinishing and tune-up including recrowned barrel by our own BMCM (the Master Chief):

For concealed carry my 3914 DAO gets the nod, Big Dot Tritium night sights, slim and smooth. DAO makes it like my primary carry revolvers:

If I was given an XDE it would be gone soon.

digiroc

 

[Topsarge]

Gun Tests just did a review of the XDe. It did well. However, I have a 6904 that I would never replace with a new polymer. The 3913 from what I'm hearing is a great gun.