3rd Gen 5906/5946 question

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Hi all,

I am hoping someone here can help. I have several 3rd Gen Smiths and I love them. A 6904, 3913, 4516, 4014, 1026 and a 5906.

I would like to know if the frames on the 5906 is the same as the 5946? If I can strip it down and assemble a 5946 on the 5906 frame.
 
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Hi all,

I am hoping someone here can help. I have several 3rd Gen Smiths and I love them. A 6904, 3913, 4516, 4014, 1026 and a 5906.

I would like to know if the frames on the 5906 is the same as the 5946? If I can strip it down and assemble a 5946 on the 5906 frame.

Hi, Strangeday!
Welcome to the forum!
As grif684 pointed out, the frames (and slides) are different between the 5906 and 5946.
However if you wish to convert a 5906 to DAO (Double Action Only) like the 5946, then that is easily doable with the substitution of four parts.

John
 
Could you take a stock 5946, change some parts, and make it DA/SA? Obviously, it wouldn't have a decock or thumb safety unless you got those parts also, but could it otherwise be done?
 
Hmmmm. So even if a strip it down to nothing I can't reassemble the 5946 onto a 5906 frame.....dammit. Getting a 5946 isn't an option as I live in Canada and they are no longer importable since 1991. There were few that were here before the law changed.
 
How about we narrow this down a bit.
What features of the 5946 are you trying to adapt to your 5906?
 
Excellent questions, all!

First, a couple of definitions. I will use the terms TDA (Traditional Double Action) to mean DA/SA (Double Action/Single Action) like on the 5906 and DAO (Double Action Only) to mean, what is in reality, the "partially cocked" (is that like "kinda pregnant"?) hammer with a long trigger pull, single action like on the 5946.

The fundamental difference in operation between the two is brought about by the substitution of only two parts: the trigger and the hammer. Specifically, the difference is the location of the hooks on the trigger and the notches on the hammer.
(BTW, on the older DAO models with silver triggers and hammers, the hammer and sear were produced and sold as a set. On the later, blued trigger models, both TDA and DAO models used the same sear.)
Take a TDA 5906 frame and swap the trigger and hammer with those from a DAO 5946 and the 5906 frame will operate like the 5946.
The same holds true in reverse, i.e. swap the 5906 trigger and hammer on to 5946 frame and voila, DA/SA.

WARNING!! As Sevens has accurately observed in his post, "it wouldn't have a decock or thumb safety" and could create operational safety issues. Indeed, the early, silver trigger/hammer DAO models were produced with a frame that was not machined to accommodate the sear release lever necessary for safely decocking the TDA pistols. In the interest of simplifying production, S&W eventually commonized that aspect of machining and made them all with the wider TDA cut and installed a "cropped" sear release lever to act as a spacer (the third part in the "four part" substitution plan).

On to the slides. In the DAO models, S&W installed a "firing pin retainer" (essentially a block of steel machined to emulate the manual safety in the "ready to fire" position) in place of the manual safety (the "fourth part" in the conversion). On all standard DAO model pistols as well as pre-rail TSW models, S&W machined the slides differently so that the safety parts could not interchange. Once again, in the interest of simplifying production, on the latest railed TSW models, the factory elected to machine both TDA and DAO slides the same and instead produced a "firing pin retainer" that fit in the manual safety cut out.
Not included in the above is the physical difference in the DAO frame and slide vs. the TDA in that the DAO frame and slide are longer at the rear to shroud the partially cocked hammer but that makes no difference in the operation.
If there's anything I did not make clear (like all of it) please ask for clarification and I will try to explain.

I hope this helps!

John
 
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Oh yeah, that's fantastic information.

I'm no gunsmith but I can do some limited things. I had to tear down my 639 fully to fix an unhappy disconnector and I succeeded, but I wouldn't tear apart a working pistol just for kicks.

But the idea that perhaps I run in to an xx46 model for reasonable money -AND- effectively I could indeed transform it to TDA (...I prefer the DA/SA term that I grew up with! ;)) is really great news.

A manual decocker is a device that I would rather have not ever been invented, but that's a thread derailment waiting to happen.
 
Thanks John! Great info - I have a similar situation, in reverse :) I have a 5906TSW produced for CSPD which has a "Decock-only" lever (I'm still not sure what S&W terminology is for this) and I'm toying with the idea of converting it to a traditional "Manual Safety" lever if that's feasible. I'd be curious if this is something that can be done in the slide or if it needs more parts or is even feasible at all?

Perhaps I should start a different thread, although this one seems headed towards a discussion of DAO<->TDA conversions anyway ;)
 
Hi, solomon!
Welcome to the forum!
If your lever "automatically returns to the ready to fire position", after you push it down to decock and it returns by spring, you have what S&W refers to as the "Spring loaded decock assembly".
It will swap out with the manual safety (either ambidextrous or single sided). You will need, in addition to the manual safety assembly, the manual safety body plunger and spring because the "spring loaded decock assembly" does not use them.

John
 
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If your lever "automatically returns to the ready to fire position", after you push it down to decock and it returns by spring, you have what S&W refers to as the "Spring loaded decock assembly".
It will swap out with the manual safety (either ambidextrous or single sided). You will, however, need in addition to the manual safety assembly, the manual safety body plunger and spring because the "spring loaded decock assembly" does not use them.

Thanks again JohnHL, sorry I got sidetracked and lost track of this one for a bit - my gun is a 5906TSW with the black ambi control - can anyone confirm that the correct part would be 106290000 (as opposed to 106300000). I'm hoping the 10629 is black and the 10630 is silver, but I can't tell for sure.... I presume I can re-use the off-side lever and plunger/spring and just swap the main body.

Next question of course is where on earth can I get one of these beasts???

TIA!
 
I would like to make it a DOA and remove the safety/decocker from the slide.
Fully recognizing that there are many legitimate reasons for doing this, may I ask your reasons for wanting to do it? Have you had your 5906 long and do you use it for defense? And do you want this change to be permanent?

I'm also curious what the laws are where you are. Are you permitted to have hi-cap magazines if they're grandfathered in? Assuming you're not an LEO, can you buy other handguns purchased before 1991? We hear so much in the U.S. about how restrictive Canada's gun laws are. What would a 5906 be worth where you are?

Whatever your reasons are, it sounds like it's not outside the realm of possibility to do what you want. Do you also want to remove the magazine safety? I understand that removing it might improve your DOA trigger. (That's something I've toyed around with doing with mine, but I don't know how difficult it would be.) Some people like mag safeties while others hate 'em.

Good luck!

 
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Nice dialog

John, nice job on the qualifiers in your instructions. This sounds like an interesting conversion. The only thing I have done similar is many many years ago I needed a double action only steel frame semi-auto in .45 ACP. I chose a very nice Astra A-80 ( some would quip that there was no such thing as a very nice Spanish pistol) and removed the single action sear notch from the hammer. Before I'm asked why, I can't really say, but it worked very well. It prevented any question of a single action discharge during a high stress threat management situation.
 

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