I just got back from shooting my new 4566TSW, and I've got to say the Smith and Wesson's "performance" on the M&P is pretty unforgivable.
This trigger on this thing is INCREDIBLE. The DA was light and rolled perfectly. It didn't have a break point like an SA, but you can tell pulling the trigger you're at 25%, 50%, don't pull any further, and BANG. The SA trigger is excellent, and the gun was very accurate.
How could S&W do such a terrible job on the M&P trigger? I shouldn't have to buy an M&P and then junk all the internals for all Apex parts (while better aren't to the 3rd Gen trigger level).
This isn't a question of plastic junk vs. metal greatness. Just about everyone on this board is a Sig Pro fan or P320 fan, and they're both plastic. The problem is going from a level a quality with the 3rd Gen or their revolvers to something far less refined and developed and telling people that would still buy their products, "**** you, buy my ****."
I also got a chance today to fire my new to me USP .40. Not only is it the smoothest shooting .40 I've ever fired (including the Sig P229 and Beretta 96/90-two). The other part I loved about it is that it's the LEM version. It's a long travel, but towards the end, you can feel the SA break.
The systems are close enough that I'd love to see a 4th Gen that takes M&P mags, get some more impressive grip shells as far as aggressivness and so forth. At this point it would probably need to by a stainless frame as their last Price list when they made everything, alloy frames were only $100 less than steel. If that's the case, that has a whole bunch of stuff that I'd be interested in getting.
So Stainless Frame, M&P mags and ergos, a S&W LEM trigger, integral light rail, and I'll buy several.
If need by, just add some bits of that into the M&P and you've just got something that will help cross over both generations.
Sig seem to be doing a good job selling both plastic and metal guns, why can't S&W? You'd have to lower your prices a bit because there's little reason something built here should cost more than something built with parts from Germany/EU. I think in the next few years, the Sig P320 and the VP9/40/45 is going to cut into the M&P.
This trigger on this thing is INCREDIBLE. The DA was light and rolled perfectly. It didn't have a break point like an SA, but you can tell pulling the trigger you're at 25%, 50%, don't pull any further, and BANG. The SA trigger is excellent, and the gun was very accurate.
How could S&W do such a terrible job on the M&P trigger? I shouldn't have to buy an M&P and then junk all the internals for all Apex parts (while better aren't to the 3rd Gen trigger level).
This isn't a question of plastic junk vs. metal greatness. Just about everyone on this board is a Sig Pro fan or P320 fan, and they're both plastic. The problem is going from a level a quality with the 3rd Gen or their revolvers to something far less refined and developed and telling people that would still buy their products, "**** you, buy my ****."
I also got a chance today to fire my new to me USP .40. Not only is it the smoothest shooting .40 I've ever fired (including the Sig P229 and Beretta 96/90-two). The other part I loved about it is that it's the LEM version. It's a long travel, but towards the end, you can feel the SA break.
The systems are close enough that I'd love to see a 4th Gen that takes M&P mags, get some more impressive grip shells as far as aggressivness and so forth. At this point it would probably need to by a stainless frame as their last Price list when they made everything, alloy frames were only $100 less than steel. If that's the case, that has a whole bunch of stuff that I'd be interested in getting.
So Stainless Frame, M&P mags and ergos, a S&W LEM trigger, integral light rail, and I'll buy several.
If need by, just add some bits of that into the M&P and you've just got something that will help cross over both generations.
Sig seem to be doing a good job selling both plastic and metal guns, why can't S&W? You'd have to lower your prices a bit because there's little reason something built here should cost more than something built with parts from Germany/EU. I think in the next few years, the Sig P320 and the VP9/40/45 is going to cut into the M&P.
I've admitted it here before. 
But I can still dream can't I? 
Or at least sometimes it feels that way. 
The list of approved, brand new, all-metal DA/SA or DAO pistols is not that large here in highly-restricted Massachusetts... so it really bugs me that Sig doesn't seem to make a pistol that fits and works in my apparently somewhat unique hands. 
