40 S&W for bear

...well placed shot. That's ok for hunting, but you can't wait for a charging bear in the woods to present a good profile and even the coolest head is likely to fire a few not-so-well placed shots. There is an earlier poster who give an account of several 'well placed shots' not stopping the bear, and he was hunting for them so expected to see them.

And bears aren't invincible, but the chances of winning a fight are highly in the bears favor.

I never heard a rumor that a black bear was like a tank, but they are a good deal smaller than a grizzly or a brown.

They are also twice as vicious. Trick with browns is to play dead....they'll lose interest and go off if they weren't hunting you for food.

Blackies......hah. They'll tear you to pieces even after you really are dead, and climbing trees cant save you.

Smaller.......just as deadly.
 
Yea!! A bear thread! :)

Why go into the woods with 10mm Special (aka .40 cal) when you can take a real 10mm?

Bears are really the domain of rifle calibers (unless you mean those cuddly Southern teddy bear types), but I'd rather have 10mm, .41 cal or .44 Mag. where bear are active.
 
I think Lobo's first mistake was taking a heart/lung shot on a dangerous animal. A shoulder shot is normally recommended. The idea is to break the shoulder and limit ability to charge.

It's possible that his slugs also weren't giving enough penetration. He's very lucky the bear didn't charge.
 
Guys, I am NOT going into bear country without my 44 mag. It would do me not good sitting in the safe while I am arm wrestling with the bear. Hell, I might even have the 40 as my backup gun and the 357 mag as back up to that. Some of those bears are big, mean and ugly.

My WORD TO THE WISH......trade your 40 cal. and get a 44 mag or bigger if you are planning on visiting bear country with one gun.
 
I need to know if the 40cal will put down the bear if he is few feet from the tent. let's say I was sleeping and suddenly I hear noise and as I look out the bear is few feet away let's say around 5 to 15ft.

and if he is less than 5 feet away let's say he is scratching the tent and let's say I have to time to pull the trigger 2 or 3 times him being right in front.

I ma not going hunting but I have food and I am going for a long hike.

oh by the way, does the laser help ur aim in anyway or it is just for the look? I mean does it help to be quicker at aiming or ill probably be too distracted by the bear to even see the red dot?

I shoot with many guys but I don't hunt so I don't know if this will stop a bear.

I personally will not put my life over a pepper spray because as I spray him I might as well spray myself if it is windy. so it is really not helpful. I want to have a gun that I know will do the job.

currently I am using a 40cal s&w m&p. 165g target full metal jack. but I am sure I will probably get hollow points. or if u have a better advice please let me know.

my next weapon is going to be the 500 S&W the big boy's toy! looool

You mean like this?


Charlie
 
I am being 100% Serious.

Don't laugh at me.

When I am in bear country I carry this.


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Jennings M22. Never fails, always accurate out to 5 yards. and after the bear mauls me beyond recognition, it puts a quick end to my suffering :-p
 
OK My standard reply

This is becoming my standard reply, the reason I have a handgun is bears. Black bears. Based on the recommendations from the local cowboys and the local government trapper who have all actually killed charging black bears with their handguns the choices are 40 S&W, .357 and 10mm. I went with a .357.

Sure a shotgun with slugs is a whole lot better, but I needed to be able to carry something on my person at all times and still be able to do my outside work. Can't easily carry a long gun and still do manual labor w/o setting it down.

Also the folks suggest not trying for head shots, bear skulls are too tough.

And for the record, I'm not talking about going out in the woods or hiking, just doing normal day to day work around the house and farm here so not really wild but rural.

FWIW wildlife officers have already killed bears in our town this year and I'll get a much better report on local bear activity when I talk to the woolgrowers at the annual meeting this month. Typically by mid July sheep herders have killed between 50-100 bears attacking sheep and scared off more that they never were able to kill. How many they've had gives me an idea of how many I'll have to deal with in another few weeks.

Last year we had over 5 on one small area less than 3 miles square and it was very stressful.
 
For a 250lb plant eating Black Bear?

For your information Black Bears are NOT vegetarian, they are severe killers of sheep. One range flock locally was losing 2-3 sheep per night for all 90 days they were on range to bears last year. And the herders were shooting the bears as fast as they could. They will also kill cattle and calves and have done so locally not to mention smaller prey like taking out a huge number of chickens at a local farm and goats and even a full grown sow pig.
 
For your information Black Bears are NOT vegetarian, they are severe killers of sheep. One range flock locally was losing 2-3 sheep per night for all 90 days they were on range to bears last year. And the herders were shooting the bears as fast as they could. They will also kill cattle and calves and have done so locally not to mention smaller prey like taking out a huge number of chickens at a local farm and goats and even a full grown sow pig.
They've also been known to eat glazed do nuts.
 
Sorry I missed out on all the fun.

Bears are omnivores! Eat both meat and veggies. Grizzlies eat more meat and black bears less. Grizzlies largely eat MOTHS when they come out of hibernation, followed by ground squirrels (hence the big "hump" of muscle between the shoulders). Black bears, (evolution-wise) are meat eaters reverting back to plants.

Black bears are more likely to kill and eat you than grizzly. A grizzly is like a Marine=remove the threat (often with prejudice!) and move on. Comparing a black bear to a grizzly is like comparing a Sherman Tank to the Enterprise!

Brown bears are now thought to be merely better-fed grizzlies. Texas== black bears are now Ursus americanus==Grinnell once described 81 "species" of black bear in N.A. BTW Polar bears and the panda are now considered in the genus "Ursus" also--based on genetic relationships.

Many, if not most, livestock attacks are scavenging on naturally killed sheep. Although there are "rogues". Ranchers and herders don't get reimbursed for natural deaths ("rural welfare"). Interestingly, one of the only two "proven" wolf attacks on humans was likely a predatory black bear.

Biggest black bear I've seen is about 650lbs (Calif state record). The biggest I've personally handled was 429, when we trapped him. Most California yearlings were 200-250 lbs.

My personal opinion is that losing livestock to predators is part of the cost of doing business if you graze on public land for nearly free. It should be noted that, in Ireland, foxes are blamed for killing sheep. But, everywhere (including New Zealand which has no natural predators on sheep), the overall mortality rate is about the same.

Take home: Both can be killers. Both are hard to stop, grizzlies more so. They are incredibly fast! (I've been charged-I KNOW how fast they can be!). There are no answers=make the choice that seems best to you.

My choice: Pepper spray, followed by a hot loaded 45 Colt Blackhawk (300 gr hardcast at about 1200 fps)
 
I have encountered many Black bears,and I have never had one even act like it was going to charge, I did however, have a black bear climb a tree on me (there is a thread about it on here somewhere)

I love bear threads, they are hilarious. :D

Yes a black bear is more likely to eat you after an attack, but they arent more likely to attack. BTW, I carry a 357 and I have no doubts it will stop anything I need it to in my neck of the woods, a good alternative is bear spray, where their olfactory glands are so sensitive it absolutely tears them up.
 
I for one, just can't understand why anyone would trade good 40 S&W ammo for beer. Ammo is harder and harder to get these days. Beer is on every corner.
 
Many, if not most, livestock attacks are scavenging on naturally killed sheep. Although there are "rogues". Ranchers and herders don't get reimbursed for natural deaths ("rural welfare").

I call BS on this one. Sorry, it's not a "naturally occurring death" when the herders catch the bears coming in on the bedded down sheep and have pictures of them tearing out the udders of still alive and screaming ewes. And ranchers are not compensated for the deaths at all in many areas no matter the cause.
 
Sorry-Had to wait until I got back to the office and could access my files.

I'll have to call "liar, liar=pants on fire" on your "BS".

According to NASS (the National Agriculture Statistics Service) of the USDA, using figures SUPPLIED BY THE LIVESTOCK GROWERS THEMSELVES, bear only account for 2.6% of the predator losses in the U.S. That's not total losses, but 2.6% of the losses caused by predators. Bears trailed behind Foxes, domestic dogs, coyotes, bobcats, and eagles==both sheep or lambs Those are national statistics, again as reported by the ranchers and herders themselves through their associations=which would hardly be an unbiased group. In Colorado, bears were responsible for 1.4 deaths per 1000 deaths. Wyoming was 2 deaths per 100 predator-caused deaths.

Note that I said "Many, if not most". I never said ALL attacks weren't predatory. So don't put words into my mouth. Just READ what I say.

BTW: I've never met a herder in the West who doesn't have a rifle handy. Seems kind of sicko to take pictures of a screaming ewe rather than to put it out of its misery. (and I'd shoot the bear rather than take its photo!)
 
We've had two attacks by black bears this year in MN and one I've heard of in WI. It does happen, but I'll admit this is an unusual year. That's why I like my 629 Mountain Gun -- light enough to wear all day, heavy enough to handle bear sized loads. That said, I'm still looking forward to getting my Delta Elite back from the Colt Custom Shop.
 
According to NASS (the National Agriculture Statistics Service) of the USDA, using figures SUPPLIED BY THE LIVESTOCK GROWERS THEMSELVES, bear only account for 2.6% of the predator losses in the U.S.

Agreed coyotes are a bigger predator of lambs but not necessarily of sheep. In 1999 (latest year for which NASS data are available) 33.3% of the predator losses to sheep in Colorado were from bears and 7.8% of the lamb losses. The same amount as from coyotes for adult sheep. (33.3%) Lamb losses are higher to coyotes than bears but in CO the progression of predators on sheep is coyotes and bears are tied for top place with 33.3% each then dogs and mountain lions are tied with 13.3% each then the rest are lumped together. Also, NASS does not count lambs until they are tailed or docked, so there are losses that are not accounted for. I have to fill out the NASS forms all the time and they are specific about what predator losses you cannot include.

http://usda01.library.cornell.edu/usda/current/sgpl/sgpl-05-05-2000.pdf

Yes most herders have rifles but they also carry sidearms and yes they do tend to shoot the bears and the ewes and then take the pictures. But we ere seeing the evening's kills as the pictures got sent to the ranch owner.

You also have to know that a huge number of sheep in Colorado are in the big feedlots over by Greeley, where predation is practically nil. So looking at statewide losses is misleading. I am trying to find the county by county predator loss figures, will report back if I can find them but the reality is that the losses typically occur in the mountains and range and are significantly higher than the overall numbers because of so many sheep being concentrated in places where there are no major predators.
 
Can't find county by county sheep predation statistics. Only info I have is that the CO DOW indicates that bear populations have boomed since 2000, so the NASS data are inaccurate and I know that sheep deaths are higher now than they were reported then just from talking to the range flock guys. I will keep looking for the county stats.
 

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