4006 problems

mgrandick

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Hi Guys I'm new to the forum and was looking at some post on the modle 4006 resetting the decock/safety upon firing several rounds. Hopefully I have a spring to solve the problem coming from S&W. I am confused as the tech told me that this spring(manual safety plunger spring) is accessed from inside the slide by moving the bolt forward.
This completely mystifies me as the schematic I have doesn't show a spring origination from this area, but two springs accessed by removing the rear sight.
Any Ideas?

Mike G








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is your manual decocker rotating on its own when firing?

does it rotate without a positive detent or click?

missing the spring and detent in the decocker body?
 
Yeah. Just guessing here but the two springs are not inter-changable. The wrong spring in the wrong place will likely launch to never-never land. On top of that, if your backwards you will pay hell getting the de-cocker removed with the opposite spring in place. Done it, and found the never-land spring only because I was really lucky and it landed on my vise after it bounce off the ceiling. A hobby of inches.
 
I'm still figuring out how this site runs. Yesterday I tried to post that the S&W tech told me to change out the springs he was sending me. He alluded to the fact that I some how had to access the springs from the inside of the slide. I asked if he meant taking off the rear sight platform. He said no. So I'm wondering ***. It appears to me the only way to get to them was removing the rear sight. So I'm confused. He also said that the gun was never fired and sat for years it might have hard grease retarding the action of the plungerl. He called the problem spring a manual safety plunger spring. Any thoughts. I tried to post this yesterday but apparently didn't do it right.
I can't believe the information that's on this site. A little intimidating.
Mike G
 
3913LS/NL

Gee I don't know he told me the name "manual safety plunger spring" didn't say if it was #1. Also said it wasn't rocket science to replace it if I have the tools. Although I've sold hundreds of S&W's in my former job but I've never had an auto on my bench. I do rust bluing on classic firearms and have to dissemble recievers to bead blast them prior to boiling them, so I have some experience in replacing parts. I guess I'll have to wait and see the spring. Looking at it the only springs and plungers I see in the slide are side by side in front of the safety lever. No way I see another spring besides the firing pin spring. After cleaning the slide with gun scrubber, brushing and blowing out with air I stepped out and fired two magazines and only had the safety drop once instead of every third or fourth round. I'm concluding that revolvers are easier:)
 
Hi Guys I'm new to the forum and was looking at some post on the modle 4006 resetting the decock/safety upon firing several rounds. Hopefully I have a spring to solve the problem coming from S&W. I am confused as the tech told me that this spring(manual safety plunger spring) is accessed from inside the slide by moving the bolt forward.
This completely mystifies me as the schematic I have doesn't show a spring origination from this area, but two springs accessed by removing the rear sight.
Any Ideas?

Mike G

Is your 4006 spontaneously "decocking" itself when being fired?

If so, the ambi lever plunger spring might have been mixed up with the manual safety body plunger spring ... and the incorrect/too-light spring being in the manual safety body is insufficient to prevent the manual safety from rotating when the slide slams to the rear under recoil.

If your 4006 doesn't exhibit this issue, are you just concerned that it might? (Don't mix up the springs ;) )

Anyway, the ambi lever plunger and spring are easily accessed by pushing in on the plunger (through hole in center of ambi lever) and pushing the ambi lever forward (capturing the plunger & spring, while wearing safety glasses, as sometimes they launch ;) ). A 1/16" pin punch works, but so does a partially straightened paperclip.

The manual safety body plunger is more difficult to access, as it requires removing the manual safety from the slide. Not really difficult if you have the tools knowledge (a couple of pin punches small enough to depress the firing pin safety plunger and the firing pin, and then the firing pin a littler further, while manipulating the manual safety body out the left side of the slide (at which time the body plunger & spring may fly free :eek: ).

The other 2 springs located under the rear sight base are for the nylon & steel plungers in the rear of the slide (firing pin safety lever & ejector depressor plunger). Yes, in older guns they may have become contaminated by congealed oil. The only way to remove those plungers and springs is to remove the rear sight base, and inattention during reinstallation of the sight base may result in unintentional damage to one or both springs.

I think I've already mentioned in the other linked thread how an older style ambi lever plunger may get mixed up with the body plunger in a 9/.40 slide, and that can make for rough decocking, but I've personally only encountered it once in an early production 5903. It required removing the manual safety and replacing the plunger with the proper round-headed plunger. The old style lever plunger and the body plunger were both shouldered, and it was easy to miss the difference of the lever plunger having a flat spot on the head (versus the round head of the body plunger).

I'm sending you a PM, BTW.
 
Mike,
The manual safety/decocker spring and plunger are in the body of the manual safety. We used ot refer to them as "Jesus springs and plungers because sometimes you'd start to take out the manual safety and "Boing"!!!!!!!! the plunger and spring were history and you say Jesus where did they go. The springs under the rear sight are the firing pin safety plunger and spring and also the magazine safety spring and plunger. Hope this was helpful.
Bob St.George Chief Armorer Instructor S&W Armorer School (Ret.)
 
Yes my 4006 spontaneously is "decocking" itself when being fired? I fired two mags through it an hour ago and it decocked three times. By hole in the middle of the ambi lever you mean the itty bitty hole on the right(starboard) side lever? OK I see that(it's sitting in my lap) The S&W tech told me on the phone that my problem is most likely the manual safety plunger spring which is in the mail. Naturally the more difficult of the two mentioned fixes awaits. fastbolt has promised instructions and I anxiously await the arrival of my spring. The "Jesus" principal and "Murphys Law" are my ever present compainions and hopefully I won't add to the M.I.A. AR indents and assorted parts somewhere trapped in the interdimensional void which inhabits my gun room. Having only recently started shooting it the 4006 is winning me over from my stable of 1911's for its accuracy. More to come when the spring arrives.
Mike
 
Well I got one spring today from Numerich but it isn't the one I need I ordered it before fastbolt cleared the air on what I needed. still waiting on S&W but they said it could be as long as 12 days. Extra springs are a good thing I have a drawer full of assorted AR springs and parts.

Mike
 

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