427 Low Riser Heads On the way!

[Ghost Magnum]

I found some solid low riser heads. Thump print looks good. The ports don't look like they been worked on before. It's all there, valves, springs, plugs and all. I have a feeling that one of the valves will need repair. I got them at a good price. I should be receiving them Monday or Tuesday. These heads will go great with my 3x2 intake.

 

[1950jcb]

Wow.

Must not be many blue oval fans in the hood. One of my close friends is Jim Waldo, former NHRA Stock Eliminator competitor. First Stock Eliminator to run in the 10s. '67 Fairlane 427 Medium Riser 4 speed. Won the world championship in it. A very impressive machine.

 

[NYlakesider]

Must not be many blue oval fans in the hood. One of my close friends is Jim Waldo, former NHRA Stock Eliminator competitor. First Stock Eliminator to run in the 10s. '67 Fairlane 427 Medium Riser 4 speed. Won the world championship in it. A very impressive machine.

Well its a old time thing for me. I was a serious street racer in the 60s early 70s and if you wanted to win in my area you had to have a Mopar or Chevy. Ford did not do too well! I guess old stereotypes still hold.

Now my wife has a 2020 Escape as a DD its sort of OK. But I doubt I will ever get a Ford.

 

[Ghost Magnum]

Well its a old time thing for me. I was a serious street racer in the 60s early 70s and if you wanted to win in my area you had to have a Mopar or Chevy. Ford did not do too well! I guess old stereotypes still hold.

Now my wife has a 2020 Escape as a DD its sort of OK. But I doubt I will ever get a Ford.

I'm way, WAY to young to be there those days. But all the books I read says that you are right.
The 427 was or is the best performance engine ford has built. It was a Chevy and hemi slayer on the tracks. But ford refused to put enough of them on the streets to help with street action against mopar and GM. That is odd though.
Mopar did not hesitate to detuned the 426 hemi or 440 for street use. Nether did GM to put there most powerful engines in street cars.
But ford refused to. Ford was far more willing to let Chris craft use their detuned 427 in boats than to use in street cars. But ford got better. The 428 cobra jet is basically a 428 PI with 427 low riser heads. But it was to little to late.

 

[Ghost Magnum]

This is leaving me with a weird problem.
My torino was never ment to be a show car. I attended it to be a street legal performance car.
I always dreamed of getting a 427 FE. But I never thought it would happen. Some of y'all may remember that unused 460 block and crankshaft I got. We were talking about using twin turbo on it months ago. We I don't want to push this 427 like that. I got the most desirable ford engine, some rare heads, intake and a collectable car. It's taking everything I have to keep me from turning this thing into a show car I would be to scared to drive.

One part of me wants to use as many rare vintage parts as possible. As a way to show my torino the respect ford or muscle car culture has never had. And to breath new life into these old parts. Other parts of me wants to be practical and use newer technology because it would be easier to keep my car on the street that way.

 

[NYlakesider]

I'm way, WAY to young to be there those days. But all the books I read says that you are right.
The 427 was or is the best performance engine ford has built. It was a Chevy and hemi slayer on the tracks. But ford refused to put enough of them on the streets to help with street action against mopar and GM. That is odd though.
Mopar did not hesitate to detuned the 426 hemi or 440 for street use. Nether did GM to put there most powerful engines in street cars.
But ford refused to. Ford was far more willing to let Chris craft use their detuned 427 in boats than to use in street cars. But ford got better. The 428 cobra jet is basically a 428 PI with 427 low riser heads. But it was to little to late.

Very good post! Your right, on the track some of those cars were very very good.

The only person in my area that could make a Ford a serious street race winner was a man that had a shop deep in the bad part of Albany. You had to watch out for his cars, he most certainly had a green thumb for the big block blue ovals.

I worked part time at my buddies speed shop so I had plenty of experience with the cars and the drivers out there in the Albany NY area. We were big in street racing in the muscle car era. My car was a 67 Dodge Rt 440 auto trans with a LOT of work in it

OP I enjoy reading what you are doing.

Please do not think I'm trying to throw out a lot of bad vibes I seen and did a lot car wise over the years.

 

[Ghost Magnum]

Very good post! Your right, on the track some of those cars were very very good.

The only person in my area that could make a Ford a serious street race winner was a man that had a shop deep in the bad part of Albany. You had to watch out for his cars, he most certainly had a green thumb for the big block blue ovals.

I worked part time at my buddies speed shop so I had plenty of experience with the cars and the drivers out there in the Albany NY area. We were big in street racing in the muscle car era. My car was a 67 Dodge Rt 440 auto trans with a LOT of work in it

OP I enjoy reading what you are doing.

Please do not think I'm trying to throw out a lot of bad vibes I seen and did a lot car wise over the years.

Thank you! I'm keeping everyone posted like I said I would. I found three Holley carburetors I need. I'm hoping the guy doesn't sell them by the end of the month. I will snatch them up when I can. A lot of people are trying to talk me out of the 3x2 set up. Saying the carbs are hard to sync. Not that they are bad. But the craftsmanship and expertise they need are long gone. To me that makes me want them more.

I tried to buy some cast iron long headers from a guy. But he refused to sell them to me. Saying they won't fit my torino. I was going to clean them up and sell them. Lol.

I talked about using a top loader on this site before. It would be easier to find one and fit in my car. But the performance gain and Street ability of a five or six speed would be more practical. But that will be more expensive.
Patience is key I guess.

I'm actually the only ford guy in my circle of friends and family. Pontiac 389/400s and oldsmobile engines are a favorite in my dad's older relatives. Chevy 396 is a close second.
351 cleveland is the only ford engine they like.
Edit: one of them did like the 428. But said back in his day the 390 was awkward to make power with. None of them ever seen a 427.

 

[jbtrucker]

An old neighbor of mine told of a 427 Mustang that blew the doors off his 69 Z28 . I wanted my brothers 64 Galaxy 500 352 but dad said no , he did help with my first car 71 Torino 302 $500.

 

[NYlakesider]

An old neighbor of mine told of a 427 Mustang that blew the doors off his 69 Z28 . I wanted my brothers 64 Galaxy 500 352 but dad said no , he did help with my first car 71 Torino 302 $500.

Well a 69 Z28 came with a high revving 302, a mustang with a 427 has a 125 cube bigger engine, the out come should not be a surprise.

 

[wheelgun28]

An old neighbor of mine told of a 427 Mustang that blew the doors off his 69 Z28 . I wanted my brothers 64 Galaxy 500 352 but dad said no , he did help with my first car 71 Torino 302 $500.

Anything is possible and things have lots of variables.

Never underestimate the Z-28...

In the right hands, they were fast for the time.

Many big blocks lost out to little 302

 

[DeathGrip]

More cubic inches = more power, all things being equal.

Anything can be fast if you have Cubic Dollars.

 

[4barrel]

Well a 69 Z28 came with a high revving 302, a mustang with a 427 has a 125 cube bigger engine, the out come should not be a surprise.

1967-1968-The Z28 had the old 30-30 cam. In 69 the cam was changed along with screw in studs and in good tune with headers and weighing 3150 the DZ 290hp motor would put out close to 400hp and would turn up to 7500 rpm. They had Zoon clutches and pressure plate and flywheel.<Perfection American>that at the time were blow proof. Put a 513 rear gear and they would run a mid 11/50 in a 1/4 with 7'' M&H slicks on the street.

 

[Ghost Magnum]

1967-1968-The Z28 had the old 30-30 cam. In 69 the cam was changed along with screw in studs and in good tune with headers and weighing 3150 the DZ 290hp motor would put out close to 400hp and would turn up to 7500 rpm. They had Zoon clutches and pressure plate and flywheel.<Perfection American>that at the time were blow proof. Put a 513 rear gear and they would run a mid 11/50 in a 1/4 with 7'' M&H slicks on the street.

I seen plenty of the vanillas but never a Z28.

Who here driven a 427 Ford? Also has anyone seen a tunnel port 427? And has anyone ever seen a tunnel port 302 since we are on the Z28.

 

[4barrel]

I seen plenty of the vanillas but never a Z28.

Who here driven a 427 Ford? Also has anyone seen a tunnel port 427? And has anyone ever seen a tunnel port 302 since we are on the Z28.

I was a director of classes at a drag strip for 10 years and still have the NHRA guidelines and classified manuals from 1969. I have never heard of a tunnel port Z28. The weak part of a 427 Ford were the skinny rods. 6200 rpm was the limit on a 425hp. Ford or they would spin a bearing trying to catch a Chevy. The 428 Ford motor was better for racing and cheaper to build. You could stick a 460ci in and win races if you didn't get caught.<my job> Red<Earnest> Anderson was the say so in my area-division 4. I talked to him several times. He was strict.

 

[oger]

Never saw a tunnel port 302 but I knew the guy that bought a lot of Fords left over 427 race parts when they quit using FE type engines. He had alum tunnel port heads every weird intake in the world and a proto type GT 40 that was never completed. I walked into his shop and there was 2 427 Cobras sitting there. Only one was for sale $8000.00 too much money then (LONG TIME AGO) If one only knew what was going to happen to the car industry.

 

[lihpster]

Saw a Youtube video of an old racer who said that when the Petty's went to the Hemi, he bought all their old Wedge stuff for what he had in his pockets minus gas money. I think it was like $900.

 

[NYlakesider]

I seen plenty of the vanillas but never a Z28.

Who here driven a 427 Ford? Also has anyone seen a tunnel port 427? And has anyone ever seen a tunnel port 302 since we are on the Z28.

I have driven a couple 427s and a couple 406s My buddy owned a speed/ shop garage 60s till 73 and I helped out there. All I drove/tested out were full size cars.

Per another thread O yeah the Z28 could move out smartly but a 513 rear gear is not too practical for street use. I raced a few Zs on the street and for the smaller cube displacement they were rather quick, but on the street cubes ruled.

Think about it today the stroker 383 is hot but years before the Z28 came out the 301 that some hot rodders built/used were nasty!

 

[glowe]

More cubic inches = more power, all things being equal.

Anything can be fast if you have Cubic Dollars.

I do not believe it is about more cubic inches at all. Look at some of the fastest cars from that era from over the pond. The Porsche is a prime example of one of the fasted cars of the 1960s. 1964 Porsche 904 was a four cylinder 119 cubic inch motor with 153HP. It ran 1/4 miles as fast as any American big iron cars.

If money was no issue, one could buy a De Tomaso Pantera. It had a 351 cubic-inch 'Cleveland' V8 engine with 330 horsepower and was one of the fastest cars built around 1970.

Sure, add-ons increase HP, but the same can be done even to the little 4 cylinder 904 or the Pantera and only thing is how much money you can throw into the auto. Production cars are the only true basis for comparison back in the day. I remember sitting in line at the local dragstrip with my 409 Chevy, watching big 389s, 409s, 426s, and 427s being embarrassed on the dragstrip by those little Porsches many quite often. Consider that the Porsche 904 had 1/4 the cubic inches and 1/3 the horsepower.

 

[NYlakesider]

I do not believe it is about more cubic inches at all. Look at some of the fastest cars from that era from over the pond. The Porsche is a prime example of one of the fasted cars of the 1960s. 1964 Porsche 904 was a four cylinder 119 cubic inch motor with 153HP. It ran 1/4 miles as fast as any American big iron cars.

If money was no issue, one could buy a De Tomaso Pantera. It had a 351 cubic-inch 'Cleveland' V8 engine with 330 horsepower and was one of the fastest cars built around 1970.

Sure, add-ons increase HP, but the same can be done even to the little 4 cylinder 904 or the Pantera and only thing is how much money you can throw into the auto. Production cars are the only true basis for comparison back in the day. I remember sitting in line at the local dragstrip with my 409 Chevy, watching big 389s, 409s, 426s, and 427s being embarrassed on the dragstrip by those little Porsches many quite often. Consider that the Porsche 904 had 1/4 the cubic inches and 1/3 the horsepower.

You left out one very important thing, weight! Drag racing classes use a formula of weigh and horsepower!

 

[4barrel]

I like hp cars and I know this is a Ford post and I love the Cobra Jet H.O. but a question was ask about tunnel port. My neighbor is putting this together and has the car doing a frame off.<frame is finished>Few people have cast their eye balls on this factory option. I snapped this in his shop last summer. You can drop a Coke can in the ports.