.45 ACP: What is it good for? Absolutely nothing?

It has been my experience that in the taking of about 40 or so white tailed deer with a handgun that the larger the bore with hard cast SWC bullets the faster the incapacitation. I also have noted that using HP jacketed bullets that a .44 mag seems to incapacitate quicker than a 158 gr JHP from a .357 Herrett even though the Herrett has substantially more kinetic energy. It is because of this admittedly limited "testing" that has caused me to hunt deer with a .45 acp (actually a .45 Super) rather than a 9mm. Big holes all the way through the body cavity seem to produce more reliable results than small holes.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experience

No, Really. So would you think a 45 Super with heavy SWC or controlled expansion bullet would be enough for wild boar to 25yds?
It has been my experience that in the taking of about 40 or so white tailed deer with a handgun that the larger the bore with hard cast SWC bullets the faster the incapacitation. I also have noted that using HP jacketed bullets that a .44 mag seems to incapacitate quicker than a 158 gr JHP from a .357 Herrett even though the Herrett has substantially more kinetic energy. It is because of this admittedly limited "testing" that has caused me to hunt deer with a .45 acp (actually a .45 Super) rather than a 9mm. Big holes all the way through the body cavity seem to produce more reliable results than small holes.
 
No, Really. So would you think a 45 Super with heavy SWC or controlled expansion bullet would be enough for wild boar to 25yds?


Uhhh..Yeah! LOL! I know a fellow that killed a wild hog with a multi-tool knife and I truly believe that a .45 caliber hole through the hog would have been much easier and quicker! Seriously...there is no pig on earth that can survive a 250 grain hard cast SWC through the boiler room from a .45 acp or .45 super.
 
Uhhh..Yeah! LOL! I know a fellow that killed a wild hog with a multi-tool knife and I truly believe that a .45 caliber hole through the hog would have been much easier and quicker! Seriously...there is no pig on earth that can survive a 250 grain hard cast SWC through the boiler room from a .45 acp or .45 super.

Don't get me wrong because I am a .45 ACP fan. However, here in this area of Florida we run into so pretty fair sized hogs. Most here like to use a.223 rifle. Some of the old timers use .44 Mag. A .45 ACP will do the job, but more folks want more power and a quicker kill. Have seen hogs in the area go as much as 400 pounds.
 
Don't get me wrong because I am a .45 ACP fan. However, here in this area of Florida we run into so pretty fair sized hogs. Most here like to use a.223 rifle. Some of the old timers use .44 Mag. A .45 ACP will do the job, but more folks want more power and a quicker kill. Have seen hogs in the area go as much as 400 pounds.

I have no disagreement! I deer hunt with .45 super with 250 grain hard cast swc at 1030 fps when I know the same bullet at 850 from a .45acp would work. Do I need the extra power? Probably not. Do I WANT the extra power? Oh yeah!
 
The FBI publishes the results of their ballistic tests each year. The comparison I used to use in my LEO classes is, Would you rather be hit by a baseball traveling at 100 mph or a Bowling ball traveling at 90 mph. The choice is pretty easy for me.

Because the FBI has chosen the 9mm a lot of people are now writing that the 40 caliber is dead. Yet when looking at the people who have to carry the weapons and the departments that issue them...more LEO's are armed with 40 caliber pistols than 9mm as the department issue weapon nationally. The 40 caliber is still alive and well, thanks to people who have smart departments and administrators. I'm sure there are a lot of former officers on this forum who carry a 9mm once upon a time. I remember that everyone felt underguned and we were all glad of the shotgun in our patrol car. When we moved to a 40 caliber everyone was happier. The results of the departmental shootings over those years hasn't made anyone unhappy, overall.
 
In order to the topic, what's good on .45 ACP: My wife and a female colleague of mine shoot very well and with a lot of pleasure their Glocks 21 with Geco 230grs. Ammo.

Indeed, the .45 is here in Germany two times more expensive than a 9mm Luger but from time to time it's a nice experience to shoot that great American cartridge. For me, it's even more pleasant to shoot .45 out of a Glock than to shoot the 9mm. The .45 seems more to push the gun backwards with good power. The 9mm out of a Glock seems to flip more upwards for me.

I shoot it rarely but it's the classic 'big ol' bullet'. Any questions? ;)
 
The comparison I used to use in my LEO classes is, Would you rather be hit by a baseball traveling at 100 mph or a Bowling ball traveling at 90 mph. The choice is pretty easy for me.
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I remember that everyone felt underguned and we were all glad of the shotgun in our patrol car. When we moved to a 40 caliber everyone was happier. The results of the departmental shootings over those years hasn't made anyone unhappy, overall.
I just rolled my eyes and ignored this comparison when I first read it, but if you actually think about it is completely absurd and a disservice to your students.

A bowling ball is nearly 50 times the weight (max 16lbs vs. 5.25 ounces) and 3 times the diameter (3 vs. 8.5 inches) of a baseball. The matching values applied relative to a 9mm 147grain would be a 1 inch projectile weighing a pound! It would also have well over 1,800 times the recoil energy making it a very obvious choice for anybody actually paying attention.

If their instructor is telling them such tall tales it is no surprise they felt under-gunned with a 9mm.
 
Just bough a couple of boxes of Corbon 185gr .45 going over 1000fps. Don't think the bad guy will be complaining that I didn't use the right caliber.
 
I wonder if you've actually read the FBI data, or you simply have a big bore burr under your saddle. I suspect the latter.

The FBI has never stated the .45acp is useless or good for nothing. That's a simplistic, misleading and, quite frankly ignorant statement. The only conclusion reached is this: with improvements in modern service ammo, the various common service rounds are performing about the same. Any difference is merely academic at this point. With that in mind, the one that's easiest to shoot, has the highest ammunition capacity, is cheaper and results in longer durability for the guns in which it's chambered, is the logical choice. This conclusion has been reached by a entity that conducts more ballistic testing than any other organization in the world when it comes to handgun ammunition. This conclusion has been reached through scientific testing that's controlled, consistent, repeatable and will stand up to peer review in any academic community.

That conclusion is absolutely correct.

If you like your .45, by all means carry it, but stop with the hurt feelings over it.
 
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Carried a 1911 for over 40 years, love that platform, BUT, getting old puts a real crimp in my shooting autoloaders. The recoil tends to torque my wrist is such a way that it just plain HURTS, so I'm back to a wheel gun and all of its problems; limited capacity, slow to reload, bit gun but I do love my 629 V-Comp and now I have 625JM. Soft shooting, accurate, fast to reload, easy to reload for and a caliber that people that don't know any better (liberal judges) don't consider as excessive. I know that it shouldn't make any difference what caliber is used in a good shooting, but there are some folks out there that will send you to prison because they don't like your gun.
 
Wow, now here's a little blast from the past. It doesn't feel like it was that long ago that I posted this thread.

Amusingly enough, I commented in a post in this very thread about how I couldn't find any cheap .40s in my area, then some 3 months later I found a SW40VE at my LGS for $199.

@Trooper, I know that you may have missunderstood this, what with me being "Mr. Thesaurus" and all, but the brightly-colored, bold, and underlinded portion of the OP clearly states that this thread isn't about Caliber Wars, so please try to keep that in mind if you intend to continue posting in this thread.
 
My EDC is a Kimber Micro 9 carried OWB with 2 spare mags. I would prefer to carry my Combat Commander, as I can shoot it more accurately and it has the bigger punch. But I only have one bone and anything bigger that the Micro 9 is hard to conceal and makes me list to one side. As they say, the one you can carry is worth much more than the one left at home. I hardly notice the Kimber under an untucked shirt. That said, if I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd definitely take the 1911. But even more, I'd want a long gun.
 
First centerfire pistol I ever bought was a Colt Commander in (of course) .45 ACP. I'd got shot at the previous Saturday while at work (unarmed security in a ship yard). So, I bought the Colt, stuck it in my pocket and went back to work. Never had anyone else take a potshot at me. Cool. Would have hated to have had to call down a fire strike on whoever was so foolish! Of course I'd also have been hunting a job the next day. Sincerely. bruce.
 
I like it because it's as close to a "decisive" cartridge as there is that can be carried conveniently, it's an easy and friendly caliber to reload, and I like the typical handgun platform in which it is chambered (1911-style pistols). And that I've been shooting/loading it for over 40 years now.
 
As a combat round it is not as modern as more modern rounds!
For pure satisfaction in a full size 1911 it is timeless.
 
.45 ACP/modernized smokeless powder version of black powder .45 colt is an excellent round, as was it's predecessor. However shot placement is what wins, .093 wider won't turn a bad hit into a good one. I know a couple of people who killed black bears w/ .22's* just as quickly as a bazooka would but given a choice would have jumped @ the chance for a .45, .357, .30-06, etc.
*bullet down ear canal, long story for another thread.
 
I have a friend who was a marine infantryman in Vietnam, and told me of one fight where he and his buddy in the next hole were gleefully celebrating the efficiency of the .45 1911 DURING the battle. His buddy was armed with a 1911 and shot SEVERAL enemy which had penetrated their position.
 
My 45acp has weathered many storms with these mcfizzled new wiz bang calibers that seem to come and grow. I give the stopping power to the 45acp everytime. When we talk about the 9mm it's firepower with less stopping power? I refuse to change my ways I'm happy with my 45 acp in my 1911's. No 9mm in my 1911.

There is no such thing as stopping power.
 
...And the Europeans and everybody else says, Look at those Americans. We've known all along that Nine is all you need....
But IIRC, many European police forces carried the 7.65 (.32ACP) and stepped up to the 9mm because it "was more effective." However, they DID stop there.

I don't know that we have to "justify" the .45 ACP. It has great historical value, did the job it was intended to, and still does- probably better than it did originally due to better bullets. Anyway, most of us accept that handguns are lacking in "stopping power" anyway, so for serious social purposes it really boils down to capacity, and that mostly for LEOs.

And since owning guns isn't all about defending yourself, it's just fun to shoot. 'Nuf said.
 
I started law enforcement with a revolver. When we finally adopted a semi-auto a few years later, it was the new S&W 645. I also carried a 1911 when assigned to an undercover narcotics unit for a time, and later a Glock 21. When we had the revolvers, we carried .357 magnum ammo. The .45's were JHPs. It should be noted that virtually none of us would carry 9mm in those days because of perceived ineffectiveness based on shootings where multiple hits (one upwards of 30 rounds) failed to stop the bad guy. Over-penetration was common, along with lack of proper expansion (refer to the 9mm Silvertip).

Now, with all of that out of the way, my preference has always been .45 ACP. I grew up in a military family and had a father who firmly believed the 1911 and .45 ACP were the best there was. Over time, technological and ballistic advancements brought the effectiveness of 9mm up to an acceptable level. Us "old cops" began to grudgingly accept them, with the right loadings, but still clung to our .45s, particularly 1911s among my friends. The one thing I always remember from those days was while in a class with Clint Smith, there were a number of Sheriff's Deputies who were issued S&W 659s in 9mm. They were making fun of my new-fangled Glock 21 (as was Clint, it not being a 1911). I asked Clint to explain to the Deputies why he carried a .45 ACP. Not a direct quote, but his response was something akin to, ".45 makes bigger holes, bigger holes leak more fluid). Clint also told us that .45 FMJ was his preferred carry because 9mm had to expand to be effective; .45 ACP didn't need to.
 
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