4506 on Duty - Part 2

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Hey there everyone, glad to be back on here as it been a while. Ive been on and off here mostly to read about info related to my many Smith's.

I started a thread a while back about carrying my 4506-1 on duty. Since then I was waiting for the LAPD de-cocker transition school. For those who don't know, we are currently issued M&P-9's. If you'd like to carry something other than an M&P or Glock, you have to go through a transition school. Either de-cocker school for older Smith&Wesson's and Beretta's, or 1911 school. The de-cocker school is typically only ran once a year, and there was no school in 2018. I had pretty much given up hope to carry the gun.

Then a few months ago I received an email stating I was attending the next school. I was so excited I was ready to jump back on the forum. But I thought to myself, what if I don't make it? What if the gun is not for me? Fear of not making it thorough the school sent me straight to my favorite ammo store and drop my credit card for 1000 rounds of .45 ACP. I shot the gun as much as I could before the course, and spoke to old timers that carried or still carry the gun.

The school was in depth, as it should, to teach us the LAPD way of using a traditional double action pistol. The instructors were dedicated on getting us to fully understand the gun itself, the double to single transition, being fast and accurate, and clearing malfunctions. By the end of the second day almost every student in the class had worn their thumbs raw working the de-cocking lever up and down.

With all the shooting the gun never failed, malfunctioned or have an any ammo related issues. For the school I used the same type of holster I had already been carrying, a Safariland ALS type. More for familiarity than anything else, but it worked well and I was able to draw extremely fast. A part of the last day we had shooting competitions. One had us drawing and firing two shots center mass on a target while using a shot timer. Another had us practice a hostage shot, either double or single action, to see which worked better for you, of course against a shot timer.

Carrying the Gun:

I worked the very next day after the school. The moment I got to roll call everyone noticed. Half in the room thought I had a 1911 on my hip. Those that knew immediately asked who I bought the gun from. I only had a standard double mag pouch, so my capacity dropped from 52 to 25 rounds overnight. You can definitely feel the difference of the gun on your hip compared to polymer. And on the street, EVERYONE notices! People are used to seeing all black plastic in Police holsters. Seeing 3 pounds of stainless steel catches their attention. Also made me aware how many people look at your gun throughout the night. A close co-worker responded to back up I put our for a stolen vehicle. He assisted proning the suspects out and taking them into custody. He admitted afterward he had trouble keeping his eyes off the 4506 as we cleared the vehicle!

On the range the gun is equally as impressive. Initially my qualification score dropped. Like it was scary how low. I started dry practicing daily after reading an article on lucky gunner on the subject. My score immediately went up. We are allowed to qualify as often as we want, once per day. We only have to shoot a qualification once every two months, but were encouraged to shoot as often as we can afford to, both in time and ammo. Shooting the bonus (advanced) course was more challenging but sped up my results and gave me a lot more confidence carrying the new gun.

Hopefully you all find this interesting and fun to read. It's been an experience switching to and carrying the 4506. Ive thrown in some pics of the gun as well, with one of a magazine I've noticed has started to crack. Something to look out for for anyone carrying the gun.
 

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As one of those "old timers" who in retirement still carry a 4506-1 occasionally, I say good job! :)

I experienced some of the same things you have. Miscreants paid close attention to commands and became quite compliant when looking at the business end of the 4506-1. Couldn't take their eyes off it.

And qualifying with that big, slightly heavy pistol was no problem, for me. But I was use to the DA/SA trigger having used it for decades. A very steady firing platform.

A VERY interesting read. Thanks for sharing your experience with us! I look forward to your future posts on the topic. ;)

Please PM me your mailing address and I will drop an OEM mag in the mail to you. Can't have you out there with a cracked mag. ;) Stay safe! Regards 18DAI
 
Congrats on passing the class. I was never permitted to carry a S&W 45 ACP on duty but carried 39-2, 439, 6904, 3913 and 5904 on duty. With the proper time the S&W DA/SA pistol can be a very effective self defense pistol.


One point stressed in our training was weapon retention. Since the S&W DA/SA pistols have a magazine disconnect feature it was taught to hit the mag release if you thought you were going to loose control of your pistol.

If the trigger is being pulled while the mag release is pressed the pistol can still fire the chambered round as long as the trigger has pressure and is not released. Once the pressure on the trigger is released the magazine safety prevents the pistol from being fired because the trigger is dead. Many times the magazine will fall out of the pistol during a struggle but the officer should have a spare mag if he regains control of the pistol. This is an advantage over the perp who likely will have to find the mag after the mag release was pressed.

Stay safe and thank you for your service!
 
I carried a M645 as my last duty gun. I was built by my friend and PD armorer as his class gun in Springfield. It has all the 4506 upgrades. I got it in January of 1989. I will say you are right... it nearly glowed in the dark and lots of people couldn't take their eyes off it in my Safriland security holster.

You made a good choice. I wouldn't hesitate to put it on tomorrow.
 
You're bringing back memories for me. In the early 80's, when the 645 first appeared, I was actively trying to persuade my Chief that we needed to go to a semi-auto platform; preferably in .45 ACP. I had the 1911 in mind. He came back with the point that he would only approve of a double action pistol. He had carried the M59 at his former department in the LA area. We further agreed on the fact that the gun should have a steel, not aluminum receiver. At that time, there were only two such semis that met that criteria; the 645 and the Colt Double Eagle, which was just plain butt-ugly.

We ordered up some 645s for T&E and ended up ordering and issuing them. I was the range master at the time, and trained the Hell out of the troops before they could wear their new guns. I went on to get the 4506 when it came out and the 4516 for plain-clothes and off-duty. We were told they would chamber empty brass from the magazine. We were amazed to find out that it was true.

We carried the 645/4506 up through the late 80's, when some of the officers began to experience malfunctions. It was determined that the problem was in the magazines and we updated to the yellow follower version. While the problems were reduced, some had lost confidence in the platform and I was told to T&E some other guns. As nothing met the requirements we set for a DA/SA design with a steel frame, I had to modify the department policy to include alloy and polymer frames. We ended up with the Glock 21. At least it was still a .45 ACP. None of us had faith in 9mm in those days.

I have since had a number of the 4500 series pistols. In addition to the 645 and 4506, I had a first edition 4516 that I had to wait for several months to receive. I later learned only 5000 had been made of that first run. Of course, by then I had sold it to get something else. I've had a couple of other 4516s since, including one other from the first run. I've also had a 4566 that I wish I still had. These are great guns, and they caught a crook's eye in a heartbeat. Nobody wanted to mess with the big Smith.
 
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Thanks for all the responses. I’m glad I have the chance to carry this gun even if it only for a short time. Parts for 3rd gens are getting scarce and pricey. Some major parts like guide rods are no longer available, at least from common sources. I always have my M&P to fall back on. Though the cool gun to have right now is the 1911. And STI’s are taking LAPD by storm. Double stack 9mm 1911’s are in all the cool holsters....
 
Great story!! Thanks for sharing with us. The 4506 is indeed a great firearm. When it was being adopted locally I was fortunate enough to attend S&Ws specific Armorer's school for it. My department finally decided on a Glock, but I was very impressed with the 4506.

I just recently traded one away, and I sometimes regret doing so.

Anyway, glad to see young folks who have faith in some of the tried and true classic handguns!!

Here was mine:

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Best Regards, Les
 
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One of the best reads I have seen hear in quite a while....AND.....I'll follow 18DAI's lead and also send you a factory mag in appreciation........
And the only other gun I've seen that rival a 4506 in the cool factor is a Coonan...
 
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Some more photos of the gun taken with my Nikon F100 with black and white film. Having trouble uploading photos onto the site when they're such large files. Might have to try my hand at embedding photos.
 

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Nice! What is your duty round these days? Regards 18DAI

For .45 ACP we're using the Federal 230gr HST2's
For 9mm we're using the Speer Gold Dot G2's 147gr
and for .40 we're using the Speer Gold Dot G2's 180gr

During the class I came across some .45 HST's +p in the ammo we were using. When I asked the instructors said thats the old ammo that was turned in a while back. They used to issue it up until Glocks were authorized and it battered their frames up... so they had to switch to standard pressure.
 
That’s really, really awesome!

Smith should never have stopped making those, along with the 4566s!! A true shame.

I’m a big fan of the SIG P220, also a DA/SA single stack .45 ACP full size duty pistol. Just picked one up today in fact! Other than of course the 1911, the SIG P220 is the only single-stack .45 ACP duty style gun still in production, which is really quite sad.

Smith, bring back these guns!!!
 
I was at a shop just a few years back and they had a mint 645 , no box for 399 I jumped on it . I also picked up spare mags and a few older but like new holsters for it , boy does this one have a great trigger .
 
I’m very surprised that a big city PD like the LAPD allows for such a wide variety of duty weapons and weapon systems. Striker, TDA, 1911’s, and three different calibers! I would think a logistical nightmare. I’m retired NYPD. We picked our guns on Zero Day by picking them up for a second or two and choosing them. Then you were stuck for your career with them. It would take an act of God to decide the Glock 19 you chose wasn’t for you and you would rather have the S&W 5946.
 
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