4506 on Duty - Part 2

Congratulations on qualifying with your S&W Model 4506-1. The large, metal receiver S&W's are legendary for their reliability, even being able to chamber empty cases from the magazine.

Thank you for sharing your story and carry that 4506-1 with confidence.

Oh, and as for ammo, I see no need for +P with the 45 ACP, at least with barrels of 4 inches or longer unless you expect to encounter a bear.
 
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Thanks a lot guys !!!
Your informative and inspiring write-ups on this subject have now got me looking towards a 4506.
I recently purchased a trade- in 4006 TSW CHP in perfect condition and after opening it up and polishing the internals I have absolutely fallen in love. Probably one of the smoothest trigger pulls I've ever encountered.
I now have a new addiction.
My beautiful wife who calls me sweetheart is not going to like this news . Won't be my first trip to the Time Out Chair and probably won't be my last.
And a said above to Dan Rod thank you for your service.
 
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I picked up on a few comments you made about buying ammo... So - the dept only furnishes ammo in the caliber of the issued weapon and you buy anything else? Does the dept have to authorize a carry round with non-furnished ammo?
 
The Department has a long history dating back to revolver days of allowing officers to carry something else. Back then the issue guns were 4 inch model 15s but everyone wanted bull barrel 6 inchers. Yes the street criminals notice those things and do respond. Down in Watts in the late 90s when Smiths were first authorized they did draw a lot of attention from the public. Normally something to the affect "he's got some big*&^ gun point at you fool"

Nowadays yes there is a wide choice. BUT the vast majority of the Department are not gun guys or gals. They carry what they're issued and shoot when they are required to shoot.

And to ken158 yes, even if your carrying a non-issue weapon you have to carry the authorized ammo. So for me I started with a Beretta 9. I carry a 1911 in .45. I have to still follow Department guidelines for ammo. When I transitioned I was issued one box of ammo. Once a year I exchange/shoot that box and get one box in return. If I want more then 50 rounds I have to buy it.
 
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DanRod, fun reading your post. Its nice to see a young officer that is excited and concerned enough to go through the wait and extra training to carry a different weapon. I retired right after the transition to M&Ps so we probably never met, I worked at EP Armory, was there quite a while.
I always preferred the 3rd gen S/Ws, even though you had to shoot all the guns as an instructor. I liked being able to safe the gun for administrative functions, and not having to deal with an active safety during a shooting situation. Also with the addition of the special order about cocking the pistol I could see no real advantage in the 1911. With the exception of perhaps a small increase in accuracy ( with some models) and models with a light rail.
If accuracy is a concern simply find one of the PC models in .45 cal, the CQB models will shoot on par with ANY custom 1911. Or if you like a light rail, hunt up one of the West Virginia 4566 TSW, you may have to get the slide coated to hide the emblem, but they are nice guns, if you are working without a light now the CQB would be my choice. Or stick with your 4506 with adjustable sights, 150 SIS detectives cant be wrong...Anyway if you ever need parts and cant get help, contact me I can help you out, or know where to go. Same with gear, I have a brand new quad pouch you are welcome to, it was issued during the .45 transition period, yes Im that old. Has silver snaps so don't know if it will match up, but email me if you are interested or ever have questions about you 4506.
Remember this, while 1911s or the new STI are sexy and cool , nothing is as cool, or confident, as shooting 400 ( LAPD Bonus (Adv combat course) with your EDC gun. Good Luck with your career, Bob Barnes
 
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CalReb is right, the Smiths are every bit as accurate as 1911s and for the most part more reliable. The only real issue is the lack of support. Holsters and parts are starting to be an issue. Mags are really starting to become expensive. If you want to take a run at the Bonus course PM me and we can talk about some techniques to get your scores up.
 
Way back in the day, when I was carrying a 4506-1 every day on the job, I sent a spare 4506-1 off for some work by a well known 45 shop.

One of the things I'd asked for was installation of a Barsto barrel - I was younger then and still though that hardware could cure software issues. ;)

Anyways, the gunsmith called me at work and told me he was just about finished with my pistol. He asked if I was sure I wanted a new barrel installed. He told me he had fired a few mags of our duty round - RA45T - through my 4506-1 and he had shot a ragged hole in the target at 25 yards. He told me that back in the day Smith made pretty good barrels. And he thought I would be hard pressed to see a noticeable difference between the OEM barrel and a higher priced aftermarket barrel.

I found that bit of advice particularly credible, given he was actually costing himself money by giving it. ;)

I own a couple of PC 45CQB pistols. One steel framed and one aluminum framed. VERY fine guns as my friend CALREB mentioned. But they cost quite a bit more than my 4506-1s. And as I age, I find I am harder pressed to shoot them any more accurately than my less expensive 4506-1. Regards 18DAI

Forgot to mention, regarding 4506-1 accuracy vs 1911s. I was shooting an old early production LE trade in 4506-1 that I had picked up at a pawn shop at the local range one day. I was just practicing basics and not really shooting for groups. But I was wearing a small jagged hole in my target anyway.

In the next stall was a Doctor shooting his new to him 5 inch Les Baer 1911. He came over and asked what it was I was shooting. I showed him and told him it was a Smith 45. He asked if it was from their "custom shop". I told him no. He asked if he could try it and of course I let him. He let me shoot a mag through the Les Baer.

He shot just as small a group with my 4506-1 as he did with his expensive 1911. I shot a slightly smaller group using his 1911. He asked me if I'd mind telling him what mine cost. He got a little green around the gills when I told him I foumd it at a pawn shop and paid $300 for it. :)
 
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When it comes to accuracy, S&W really hit the nail on the head when they finally dropped that loosey-goosey removable barrel bushing and went to a fixed barrel bushing. This was first done with the 2nd generation pistols, specifically, the compact Models 469 and 669. These compact pistols were found to be just as reliable as the full size 2nd gen pistols, but many times they were found to be more accurate. Why? More consistent barrel lock up thanks to the fixed barrel bushing.

S&W wisely carried the fixed barrel bushing into the design of the Model 645 and then onto the 3rd gen pistols, creating a line of pistols that became highly regarded for their reliability and accuracy.
 
Great post and discussion.

My back hurts just thinking about carrying that 4506 and ammo all day. Being used to Colt helps though. Also great you could find an ALS holster, no doubt that is great match and contributes to a smooth draw/presentation. I am little surprised that Safariland makes them for the 4506.

No doubt the bad guys will notice the unusual pistola. I remember the first time I saw that gaping .45 inch hole on the stainless slide and how noticeable it was compared to .40. Having a professional pistol sends a message that both good and bad guys home in on.
 
Sorry I’m missed a few posts here, Wifey had the honey-do list ready for me this week. Great to see so many on here liking the post! And the support is awesome.

As a little progress report, I’m working on my Bonus score and doing a ton of dry firing. Trying to get in 10 mins everyday. Since then my score has went from 335, to 377, and 378 all in a months time. Still no 400 (sigh) but it’s incremental. Going to start doing more skip load drills. Quality through continuous improvement (wink-wink) :)
 
DanRod, great write up and pics, so cool you can carry the big
Gen 3 on duty.
I'm kinda jealous, I worked for Ca Dept. Of Corrections and
we had K frame .38's, then Glock 22's, but I carried my
4586 (DAO .45, 4.25" all steel) off duty for years.
When I qualified with it, all of the RO's wanted to check it out.
I just got it out of the safe and I think I'll go qual with it next week and give my Glock a rest.
Thanks again for the info!
 

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DanRod, great write up and pics, so cool you can carry the big
Gen 3 on duty.
I'm kinda jealous, I worked for Ca Dept. Of Corrections and
we had K frame .38's, then Glock 22's, but I carried my
4586 (DAO .45, 4.25" all steel) off duty for years.
When I qualified with it, all of the RO's wanted to check it out.
I just got it out of the safe and I think I'll go qual with it next week and give my Glock a rest.
Thanks again for the info!

Nice! I love these old third gens. When I have the funds I’ll try to get a 4566 for off duty / spare. Hopefully we can keep these guns around for as long as we can. And maybe someday Smith&Wesson will get the hint and make a classic series!
 
Hey there everyone, glad to be back on here as it been a while. Ive been on and off here mostly to read about info related to my many Smith's.

I started a thread a while back about carrying my 4506-1 on duty. Since then I was waiting for the LAPD de-cocker transition school. For those who don't know, we are currently issued M&P-9's. If you'd like to carry something other than an M&P or Glock, you have to go through a transition school. Either de-cocker school for older Smith&Wesson's and Beretta's, or 1911 school. The de-cocker school is typically only ran once a year, and there was no school in 2018. I had pretty much given up hope to carry the gun.

Then a few months ago I received an email stating I was attending the next school. I was so excited I was ready to jump back on the forum. But I thought to myself, what if I don't make it? What if the gun is not for me? Fear of not making it thorough the school sent me straight to my favorite ammo store and drop my credit card for 1000 rounds of .45 ACP. I shot the gun as much as I could before the course, and spoke to old timers that carried or still carry the gun.

The school was in depth, as it should, to teach us the LAPD way of using a traditional double action pistol. The instructors were dedicated on getting us to fully understand the gun itself, the double to single transition, being fast and accurate, and clearing malfunctions. By the end of the second day almost every student in the class had worn their thumbs raw working the de-cocking lever up and down.

With all the shooting the gun never failed, malfunctioned or have an any ammo related issues. For the school I used the same type of holster I had already been carrying, a Safariland ALS type. More for familiarity than anything else, but it worked well and I was able to draw extremely fast. A part of the last day we had shooting competitions. One had us drawing and firing two shots center mass on a target while using a shot timer. Another had us practice a hostage shot, either double or single action, to see which worked better for you, of course against a shot timer.

Carrying the Gun:

I worked the very next day after the school. The moment I got to roll call everyone noticed. Half in the room thought I had a 1911 on my hip. Those that knew immediately asked who I bought the gun from. I only had a standard double mag pouch, so my capacity dropped from 52 to 25 rounds overnight. You can definitely feel the difference of the gun on your hip compared to polymer. And on the street, EVERYONE notices! People are used to seeing all black plastic in Police holsters. Seeing 3 pounds of stainless steel catches their attention. Also made me aware how many people look at your gun throughout the night. A close co-worker responded to back up I put our for a stolen vehicle. He assisted proning the suspects out and taking them into custody. He admitted afterward he had trouble keeping his eyes off the 4506 as we cleared the vehicle!

On the range the gun is equally as impressive. Initially my qualification score dropped. Like it was scary how low. I started dry practicing daily after reading an article on lucky gunner on the subject. My score immediately went up. We are allowed to qualify as often as we want, once per day. We only have to shoot a qualification once every two months, but were encouraged to shoot as often as we can afford to, both in time and ammo. Shooting the bonus (advanced) course was more challenging but sped up my results and gave me a lot more confidence carrying the new gun.

Hopefully you all find this interesting and fun to read. It's been an experience switching to and carrying the 4506. Ive thrown in some pics of the gun as well, with one of a magazine I've noticed has started to crack. Something to look out for for anyone carrying the gun.

About six months ago I bought a S&W 4506 from a retired LAPD Metro officer. The night sights were gone, so I sent them back to Trijicon to get re-lamped. The 4506 is a beast, heavier than my first duty gun, a Beretta 96D Brigadeer.My Glock 19 and 26 are paperweights compared to the 4506, but as the older guys will tell you, the .45ACP does the job and drawing it down on people really gets someone’s attention really quick. Good luck stay safe, and if you are down in Central Division really watch your six; was down there working last week and still can’t believe how much LA or CA has fallen.

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Nice! The price of these guns has skyrocketed here in So.Cal. Normal to here about guys paying over $1000 for a gun by itself. The weight helps soak up the recoil and makes shooting .45 easy. I’m surprised how fast you can get follow up shots with it. Wish they had more options for sights. My favorite sights of all time are Trijicon HD’s.

And yessir still working Central. It has gotten pretty crazy out here. Lots of drugs since the city disbanded our Narco units. Driving through skid row is like zombie land. Almost tore my ACL last year wrestling some meth head. Business call for more officers on the street even as our numbers go down. They’re even offering overtime for foot beats in Central/ downtown. I might pick up a few shifts to fund a 4566. Or my holy grail 1076 :)
 
Here is a pic of my current carry 4506-1 with a Galco IWB holster.

This is my $300 "Pawn shop rescue" that I picked up a few years back. Regards 18DAI
 

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Nice! The price of these guns has skyrocketed here in So.Cal. Normal to here about guys paying over $1000 for a gun by itself. The weight helps soak up the recoil and makes shooting .45 easy. I’m surprised how fast you can get follow up shots with it. Wish they had more options for sights. My favorite sights of all time are Trijicon HD’s.

And yessir still working Central. It has gotten pretty crazy out here. Lots of drugs since the city disbanded our Narco units. Driving through skid row is like zombie land. Almost tore my ACL last year wrestling some meth head. Business call for more officers on the street even as our numbers go down. They’re even offering overtime for foot beats in Central/ downtown. I might pick up a few shifts to fund a 4566. Or my holy grail 1076 :)

Know the feeling on a torn ACL fighting someone. Did that twenty years ago fighting a detaining I brought back to the station. Was there today, and 5th and San Pedro was closed for cleanup. Half hour after they finished cleaning the street it was littered full of homeless and lawlessness. I saw four fights and all other kinds of “joyful” festivities all while sitting in my work car.
 
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Great post DanRod! B&W pix are cool too but you might think about greater "Depth of Field" in order to show every awesome detail of that iconic weapon. My 4506 no dash is my pride and joy!

BTW: People DO look at the pistol carried by an LEO all the time (as a gun-loving civilian; I know that I do)! Most of the time I'm looking for that "exception to the rule", something unique, a more personal choice that always says something about that individual's commitment and approach to the business at hand, in that regard; a shiny 4506 beats a flat black Glock or M&P (sorry kids!) every time!
 
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