5 Shot Snubby of CCW?

I qualify in several categories listed in the "Age And The Snubnose" article. I carry a J-frame. But I've carried one for almost twenty years anyway, since before I got old and ill. It's what I feel comfortable and confident with.
 
Some of us carry an S&W J or Colt DS because we’re just “ really really that good!!! ;)
Practice Practice.
With 5 in a 460 Snubby...... who would dare approach!

While anyone can be startled.... even if you did teach Berets hand to hand back in the ‘60s...... not me.... my chief instructor ..... it’s tough to carry a big gun/lotsa ammo in South Florida at times.

My small frame pilot buddies from back then went directly to Glocks decades later and found the 1911s with OEM grips too thin.
 
As said before if you need more than five shots that's some sloppy shooting. Practice shooting more than the armchair and keyboard.
 
The phrase "suit you fine" indicates the minimum necessary or desired. When I'm running (up to 4+ miles now!) I carry a snub, any other time I carry something more than the minimum.

What is the standard that you are going by to determine minimum? How many gunfights have you been in? rounds fired in self defense count? Just trying to understand what your minimum is.
 
In my mind, simply being armed with an effective handgun is much more important than ammo capacity. Most dirtbags don't plan on armed resistance. I'm referring to a concealed handgun. Surprise multiplies your effectiveness and gives you a better chance of escape, survival. IMHO, the J frames (and similar)are the smallest, easiest to carry weapons that remain truly effective. I wouldn't ever choose a J frame if I was planning a gunfight, but if you live to limit your risk, the J frames are a good choice.
 
I think that is the only thing offensive in the post. One shouldn't assume that all cops are 'gun guys' and can offer better advice than anyone else. ;)

Carry whatever makes you comfortable.

That's right. Watch some "Live PD" episodes. You see that outside of their glock some are clueless. Most cops are not gun people. Their gun is just a tool on their belt. While a few are jun savvy like the rest of us.
 
This again. :)

I think we all make compromises in our decisions. I could carry two Beretta M9's with two spare 30 round stick magazines. I could compromise and carry one such wonder-nine with a 17 round magazine. Or I could compromise further and carry a single stack compact .45 like my Colt Defender. Or compromise further and carry my M649 with five rounds of .357 magnum. Or even further and just carry my Benchmade or Spyderco.

All of these options come with benefits and costs.
 
... when I go out into the world, I almost feel naked if I don't have at least 8 rounds in the gun (preferably 10 or more) & a re-load.

For those that just carry a 5 shot, why do you feel that's enough gun in today's crazy world? In most of the real life videos I've seen, 5 rounds just doesn't seem enough. ...

I used to carry a 6-shot revolver on-duty for several years in the 80's as a younger cop, so a 5-shot snub revolver only "cost" 1 round of capacity.

Back in those early service revolver days I often carried a 6-shot revolver or a 1911 with 7rd mags on my own time, and finally transitioned to 5-shot snubs for the convenience of carrying something lighter (like a 3" M36, or an older 649 Bodyguard .38 or a .44SPL Charter Arms Bulldog).

When I put away the revolvers I transitioned to a 3913, which uses 8rd mags. Although I was carrying an issued 6906 on-duty for a while, I preferred the slimmer frame of the 3913 on my own time, even though it lacked 4 rounds compared to the 6906. I later carried a CS45 (6rd mag), an early 4513TSW (6rd mag) and CS9 (7rd mag), too, so it's not like I was a particularly enthusiastic proponent of hi-cap guns on my own time.

Sure, nowadays I own some 9's, .40's and a .45 that use 9, 10 or 12rd mags (my single "hi-cap" pistol is a 12+1 .40), but I still prefer to carry one of my many 5-shot snubs as retirement weapons ... if I'm not carrying one of my pair of LCP's (6rd mags).

In older days it was pretty common to find LE firearms instructors carrying one or another 5-shot .38 snub on their own time, even if they carried a higher capacity pistol on-duty. The most common answer heard to the question "Why a 5-shot snub?" was usually that they were only carrying it against the potential need to defend against 1-2 attackers.

Now, something to also consider is that it's been said by some folks that a 2" snub revolver is more of an "expert's weapon" than one easily mastered by a novice.

Well, to be fair, the very attributes that make the little snubs so popular are also usually the very reasons that they can be harder to shoot accurately and controllably. Small grip, heavy DA/DAO trigger pull and greater felt recoil (due to the light weight), especially if the gun is rated for the use of +P loads. And even more especially if one of the Airweights, Airlites or PD models is being used.

As a longtime revolver shooter, though, and having carried revolvers on & off-duty as a cop, and then as a LE firearms instructor being able to spend a lot of time at a LE-Only range to practice my skills, I grew to appreciate the virtues of the small 5-shot snubs increasingly more over the years.

Modern ammunition improvements have given us better JHP ammo, too, meaning some bullets and loads tweaked for better "performance" (some potential for expansion) out of the short-barreled guns.

Given my druthers, I'll only get out one of my 9, .40 or .45 belt guns if I feel my planned activities are going to involve places and circumstances where I suspect a higher risk potential. Otherwise, for most of my "normal" retirement days/nights and activities, pocket-holstering one of my many J-frame snubs (or one of my LCP .380's) satisfy my perceived needs.

I don't presume to be able to make such decisions for anyone else, though. Not my business.

It's just that having carried one or another badge for 34 years, and having served as a LE firearms instructor for 26 years, I've acquired what I consider to be a sufficient amount of experience and training to be able to form an opinion about what makes me feel comfortable making such risk assessments and decisions for myself.

BTW, a couple of my last issued duty weapons were a 7+1 compact .45, and then a 8+1 compact 9, followed by a 15+1 .40 (when compact weapons were basically phased out with new full-size pistols in 9, .40 & .45, for ease of inventory control, procurement, etc). While I've previously carried some hi-cap pistols, I didn't invest as much attention to them on my own time as some other folks.

But then, I never felt exactly under-equipped even when carrying an issued .357 MAG revolver, either. For me it was more about being able to shoot accurately, and handle manipulation and loading smoothly and easily enough.

As an instructor, I've seen at least my fair share of folks who couldn't fire hi-cap duty pistols as quickly or as accurately as I could use my 5-shot snubs ... although granted, they didn't have to reload as often I did in the same courses-of-fire.

It's more about risk assessment, and hopefully also involves a frank self-appraisal of one's handgun foundation skillset. ;)

It's just a handgun.
 
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Thanks for all the great responses.

As for me, I fell in love with Glocks in 1989. A young Marine showed-up with one to a Firearms class I had while the rest of us were using 686's (actually owned and issued by a Junior College).

I went through the Academy in 1990 with a Dept. issued model 15, and quickly transitioned to my own 686 after graduation. I picked-up a S&W 469 and carried that off-duty for a year or so. Also picked-up a model 36 just to have something smaller. I can only ever recall carrying that once in a ankle holster on a night out. In late 91', I bought my first Glock 19 for off-duty. Than transitioned to a Glock 17 for Duty in 92'. Since than, it's always been hi-caps (5904 for awhile and finished with a G22). And any J frame I owned over the years served as a back-up gun. Once in awhile, I'd throw on a 6 shot S&W for off-duty.

Now I'm retired, I'm still carry a Glock. Usually a 23, 19, 27, or 43. Backed-up by a Ruger LCP. I'm a big guy, and "dress around the gun".

I actually get to the range several times a month now, and am a better shot now than when I was on the job. Although it seems Arthritis is setting in on my trigger finger (Joint feels sore after shooting?). I still don't shoot J frames all that well, but that's probably from lack of practice.

Maybe with more practice and when I get tired of carry a big gun, I'll transition into a J frame. They sure are light.

Again, thanks for all the great info.
 
i have always carried a J frame. First a model 60 no dash and then I bought a 642. So I have been limited to 5 shots. Ok sometimes I have carried a model 659. It makes a good club too I'm like the OP. I have been watching videos also. If you have to ask it is Active Self Protection. Yes a lot of the videos are from outside the US. I think other countries employ more cameras than we do, and they are a bit more lawless too.

So yes I have begun to wonder about whether 5 shots are enough. I am an older disabled person and have recently had hand surgery. It will be a year before it is back to 100% and then I will have the right hand done. The thoughts of trying to reload under pressure does worry me. If you are trying to do a double tap and you have more than one attacker and your shot placement isn't near perfect you may have a problem.

Like I said, I'm beginning to reevaluate my choice in weapons. The only person that can decide for me is me. You get to make the same choices.
 
Here in TEXAS, with a CHL license, you are legal to carry OPEN or CONCEALED.
There are some restrictions that dis-allow open carry inside some "posted establishments".
Basic Law here allows you to carry in your car, as it is considered your abode.

I have seen signs on the OUTSIDE of some places that do not allow outside visible carry of a firearm, but do allow concealed.
Always read the signs. They must be posted outside where one can see and read them.
 
I've seen a lot of surveillance videos posted on youtube showing armed civilians legally defending themselves against armed an attacker/s. 99% of them either get dropped or run away after the first or second shot. There is an argument whether capacity is an issue or not. Is a 17 round magazine better than a 5 shot revolver? Probably, however as I pointed out most civilian armed encounters are resolved within 1-3 shots fired. There have been times when LEO or civilians have fired more than 3 rounds. Fired up to 15-20 rounds, but that is a question of shot placement & training rather than a major gun battle.

I feel perfectly fine with my 642 and a speed strip of Remington G&W box of 38 special +P in my pocket.

IF you only carry for a single potential mugger, yes a 5 shot is probably sufficient. Consider in todays enviro of the fanatic religious terrorist or just multiple attackers, I personally want a something I can fight with from contact to 50y & 1 to as many attackers as may appear. We each have our own threat assessment, but imo, the 5 shot j-frame is best as a bug, not a primary.
 
i have always carried a J frame. First a model 60 no dash and then I bought a 642. So I have been limited to 5 shots. Ok sometimes I have carried a model 659. It makes a good club too I'm like the OP. I have been watching videos also. If you have to ask it is Active Self Protection. Yes a lot of the videos are from outside the US. I think other countries employ more cameras than we do, and they are a bit more lawless too.

So yes I have begun to wonder about whether 5 shots are enough. I am an older disabled person and have recently had hand surgery. It will be a year before it is back to 100% and then I will have the right hand done. The thoughts of trying to reload under pressure does worry me. If you are trying to do a double tap and you have more than one attacker and your shot placement isn't near perfect you may have a problem.

Like I said, I'm beginning to reevaluate my choice in weapons. The only person that can decide for me is me. You get to make the same choices.

Something you might consider is getting another 642 and carry two of them.

10 shots of 38+P without reloading is pretty formidable.
 
Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.
 
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Something you might consider is getting another 642 and carry two of them.

10 shots of 38+P without reloading is pretty formidable.

Early on in my LE career (late 70's) I decided on j frames as backup and off-duty and have never looked back. Sure I experimented with lots of autos over the years, but nothing gave me the confidence that the wheelguns did.

Full disclosure: I had a 9mm Shield for a while and loved it. Gave it to my daughter when Utah allowed teachers to ccw. I also own a Glock 19, 26, and 43. I shoot the j frames better than even those.

Now old and retired (mostly tired!) this is my edc. The 640-1 goes aiwb, and the 49 goes in the weak side pocket. Works for me.
 

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Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.
Not being argumentative. You asked for instances. Two from ASP come to mind over the last few years. I did a quick search, but they didn't pop right away.

The first was a shop owner and his son in the US (Calif maybe) against three armed assailants. The owner had a 1911 he fumbled with. He didn't make it. 3 armed vs 1 was too many. There was a thread here about it.

The second was out of India or East Asia. A shop keeper against five. The shop keeper had a 5 shot revolver. One BG had a revolver and the rest had clubs or tire irons. The shop keeper disabled two with his five shots, wasn't able to reload, then took a pretty good beating escaping from the rest.
 
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