5906 5" Target Champion 9mm springs PPC9

Hi!
I just bought a 5" 9mm 5906 Target champion
And cannot find what springs to put in it.
I know that the pistol is the same as the US sold ppc9.

Nice pistol!

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All evidence I've found suggests that it takes the same recoil spring as a 5906. I have zero proof of this.

It may take the same recoil spring as the Super9 - S&W part #200710000.


I don't have a PPC9 or a 9mm Target Champion but "if" their recoil spring space/length is the same as in the 3566 Limited then I don't see how a 5906 recoil spring (#060480000) would be correct as it's shorter/weaker than the #200710000 when installed in my 3566.

The Super 9 uses the same recoil spring as the 4506 "wadcutter", S&W #200710000, I suspect it's about 14#.

Wolff calls their 14# recoil spring (#47314) the "standard" weight recoil spring for the 4506. I say that's the 4506 wadcutter spring.

The 5906 recoil spring measured 3# less force (when installed in the 3566) than Wolff's comparable 14# 4506 recoil spring.

The standard 4506 ball ammo recoil spring (S&W #201610000) measured 17# in my 3566.

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is the grips on the picture standard 5906 grips? or are they even more slim, also asking for the possibility the mount bigger slide release and safety switch?
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The 3566 Limited can use the same grips that fit a 5906.

The 3566 Limited came with the straight grip.

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According to the S&W Parts Catalog, the standard grip on the 5906 was the curved grip (#203540000).

The straight grips (#203610000) were optional on the 5906.

I put the curved grips on my 3566 Limited.

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Curved 5906 grips & Pachmayr Tactical Grip Glove
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Do any of you have some points on what ammo or reloading recipe that usually has good accuracy, now i'm useing magtech 9f 95gr flat point, ransom rest gives me 34mm at 25meters, pleased with that but they are pretty pricey
But very curious on your ideas on ammo and reloading
 
Bwahahaha

I can say that in all my years of shooting, I never told a buddy that I shot a 34mm group at 25 meters! :D

Seriously though...
Building pure accuracy loads in 9mm is by all reports a difficult endeavor fraught with pitfalls. Doing so is one of my handloading "grails."

For a short bit I thought I was on to something great using the Hornady 125gr HAP slug but dangit, I cannot get these slugs anywhere for a decent price and this isn't a recent "2020 sucks" problem, this has been for at least 2+ years.

I don't have the answer (yet!) to 9mm accuracy loads. Maybe in 15-20 years when I retire it's a goal to be chased.

I am always interested in hearing others' success. In my experience, it's a lot easier to find stunning accuracy in .38 Special and .45 ACP.
 
Yes, that is fantastic accuracy you report.

We have an active poster on these pages who longtime S&W PC guy out in California if I recall, and he reports many tens of thousands of rounds through a PPC-9 with fantastic accuracy, all of his shooting was with department provided 147gr ammo.

I have never sent enough 147gr ammo through mine to get an impression of it's potential.
 
I recently purchased one of these PC Target Champion pistols. Like all the 3rd Gen PC pistols, the build quality is superb. I strongly suspect S&W's institutional knowledge on these pistols is long gone. Is it the consensus of those with experience with this model (PPC 9mm) that the 4506 factory wadcutter recoil spring is fine with these? That would be a perfect solution, since I have plenty of those on hand, and I believe they are still readily available. After lubricating it, I fired 30 rounds through it using the spring it came with. It functioned fine, and shot as well as I could hold, but I'd prefer to put a new spring in it before firing it much. Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

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After reading through this and other threads, I've seen a few thoughts on the recoil springs. Does anyone here still shoot one regularly? If so, I'd appreciate recommendations. This pistol is too much fun to shoot to keep in the safe!
 
Seems there is no interest in this so far.

I'm wondering what the answer is too. I'm pretty sure I have springs that will work when I need them but I'd also like to know what is correct.

Like you I've read everything available and still haven't got the answer.

Pictured left to right, my PPC9 guide rod and spring, 4566 spring, (and all others,) 5906 spring, (and all others,) and 4506, (and all others,) wadcutter spring. All springs except for the PPC9 are new.

None of them are exactly the same.

Jim
 

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Thanks for your photos, Jim! I know the Target Champions are pretty scarce in the US, but had hoped we'd hear from some PPC model users. I've always changed recoil springs out when I bought used semi-autos, but that is proving a challenge in this case! Hopefully some of the forum experts will weigh in.
 
I just added my two cents to the "S&W Model 952" thread.

Outward appearances seem similar in several of these pistols though I only have a 3566 Limited.

Here's what I posted on the other thread, FWIW:

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I have new one of the dual spring sets (19302) for the 645, and on the package, it lists the smaller "wadcutter" (20071) spring as 10 pounds.
It's almost exactly the same length and wire diameter at my existing 952 spring, but the spring seems too light at 10 pounds.
The same package lists the longer spring, Part # 20161 as "14 pounds", but the spring is very long.

I've never had a #200710000 recoil spring to test but they're supposedly equal to Wolff's #47314 (14#) recoil spring which they call standard power, though everybody else knows it as the wadcutter spring.

I did test Wolff's 15# (#47315) recoil spring in my 5" 3566 Limited & it measured right at 15# fully compressed in the pistol, the same strength as the factory 3566 spring.

It's slightly longer in length than the factory 3566 Limited's spring but there is no stacking with it.

Wolff's #47312 (12#) spring measured 11# fully compressed in the pistol.

S&W #201610000 measures 17# in both my 3566 Limited & 4506 when fully compressed.

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When I install my Briley 9x19 barrel in my 3566 Limited to shoot I use Wolff's #47416 (16#) recoil spring that's for the 4" M5906.

It's slightly shorter than the factory 3566 spring & it measures 13# fully compressed in the pistol. I run my +P handloads with it.

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Many thanks to everyone for their thoughts and expertise! Midway has S&W #200710000 springs for $2.49, which seems very reasonable. I ordered a couple, along with a Wolff #47416 spring. I haven't shot any competitions in many years - I mainly target shoot on my backyard ranges. In addition to my steel S&Ws, I regularly shoot aluminum-framed SIG and Beretta 9mms, so don't shoot that many +P loads. It sounds like the S&W #200710000 springs might work well for my use, but some experimentation is in order! I'm not really a fan of the stock Hogue grips, so may replace them with either wood or standard 5906 grips. I am really looking forward to spending more time on the range with this superb pistol!
 
As far as the springs go for the 5906 P/C guns the factory springs would run 14 to 16 lbs. Mostly 14 lbs. I would replace them when they got a 1/2" set about 10-11 lbs. Never had a single issue. BUT I shot 147 WW subsonic in all the models so not very hot ammo. This would produce sub 1" at 25 and from 1 1/2 to just over 2"groups at 50 depending on which gun was being shot. I discovered that the earlier guns I own ( like Navy Engineer's ) with the short dust cover, absolutely loved the 115 or lighter bullets at higher velocity the especially the 105 lead free at 1200 or so. Kinda hard to come by ,but at that time we were lucky to have some UHHH laying around....The short guns DPA and 6906 models shoot it extremely well also. Sub 1'at 25 and very little muzzle flip.
Then when they became availably we ordered 6" guns. These guns did not shoot the fast bullets near as well as the 147 SS. Several of us even sent the guns back complaining of accuracy. I asked if anything had been changed and was told the twist was different ( how,what ,I dont know).I didnt care as long as I had ammo to make it right. Apparently the change , was to accomodate the trend in LE changing from lighter bullets to the heavier 124/147 type bullets. I changed to 147 and bingo the accuracy with the longer gun was back to normal. Something to try if you have an older or newer type gun. These are just my experiences shooting the P/C guns as they came out.
Just another couple things for info only. At one time between my wife and I ,we had 10 or 11 P/C 9mms. 6 PPC-9s all those guns came from the factory with regular S/W delrin grips. Alot of PPC shooters liked the rubber Hogue grips because it set their trigger finger in a better placement on the single action trigger of the PPC-9s. I own PPC 1500, I think one of the last to leave the factory, although they were holding it back due to the serial number, so their may be ones made later. It had standard grips also.
Also about the Wadcutter spring in the 4506s. I had never heard it termed that. When those were shipped it was in the gun as a breakin period spring. They even had a note with them to discard them after 500 rounds I think. So they were never intended to be used for as a standard use spring. I have no Idea what their strength was, I think about 10 lbs. I remember this because for a period of time we were issuing +p ammo and when someone would come in to register a 4506,we would immediately lube the gun for them and replace it with the full power spring to keep the gun from being beat up. Never heard of any malfunction problems. Hope this informed someone of something, It brought back the bad memory of selling my wifes P/C guns, 6" included when she quit shooting. DUH!!!! Now I will have trouble sleeping tonight. HA!
 
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On the subject of the 4506 wadcutter recoil spring;

I have the factory box for my 845 Limited & had forgotten it had a zipbag in it with a handwritten label that says "20071, lite load only, wadcutter, 10#".

That spring is about 1.5" shorter than the (standard) recoil spring that was installed in the pistol when I bought it used.

The 845's box has an assortment of pamphlets & papers that S&W put in with the pistols of that time. I also have the factory box for my 4506-1 (mfd. Aug-1991) with a similar assortment of factory papers.

Neither box had the paper that S&W apparently supplied with (some of) the pistols that had the included extra recoil spring explaining it's use, which I thought at least one of my boxes had.

That paper is shown below (not my picture & I didn't note who posted it originally, sorry). It clearly states that the shorter recoil spring is for light loads, which most people associate with wadcutter loads, as it too implies.

I will try to test that #20071 spring (assuming that's what it is) to see what force it exerts when installed.

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I tested the recoil spring, in my zipbag marked 20071, installed in my 4506-1. It's physically 6-1/4" long.

It measured Condition "A" = 8#
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it measured Condition "C" = 14#
(see below for conditions explanation)

This tracks with what I've contended for some time;

Wolff Gunsprings lists the "standard power" recoil spring for the 4506 as 14# (Wolff #47314). I've always thought that was actually equal to S&W #20071(0000), the optional wadcutter spring.

This confirms that theory, assuming it's an actual #200710000 spring in my zipbag. ;)

Wolff 18# (#47318 ) recoil spring is equal to S&W# 201610000, the standard/hardball spring, which they list as "extra power".

(FYI: Old S&W part numbers were only (5) digits long. When they increased the PN#s to (9) digits the old/existing PN#s just got four zeros added to the end, to comply with the new scheme.)

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"BLUEDOT37", thank you for all that you bring to this discussion and the many others. You make it simple to understand for those of us that don't have the means to test spring tension.

I'll probably use the factory 4506 "wadcutter" in my PPC9 but I suspect the 5906 ones would be fine. Fortunately I have almost too many recoil springs for all my S&W pistols but like magazines the factory supply isn't likely to get bigger.

Jim
 
PPC9, Super-9 use standard 5906 recoil springs.
I've shot many thousands of rounds through my PPC9's and still have both original springs.
I haven't shot much lately (Covid-19 canceled last season) but when I do, I still use them.

Match load: Club matches, Lee 124gr TC @ .357" w/SPG lube. 4.9gr LongShot. Federal or Starline brass.
Regional or National; 115gr Delta Precision JHP, 4.9gr HP38 @1.110". Starline brass, Win or CCI primer.
 
Barrel Twist

The original 39 and 59 used a 1:10 twist 9 MM barrel. I know S&W changed the twist from 1:10" to 1:18.5" but I can't remember if the change was in the second generation or the third generation. Midway show 3rd generation 9 MM barrels for sale and the spec list twist as 1:18.5".

I really think the 439 & 459 still used the 1:10" twist but I'd have to try and measure them to be sure. I have a model 39, 439, & 5904. S&W testing supposedly showed improved accuracy with the standard 38/357 revolver twist of 1:18.5".

Back in the 70's & 80's Friends who shot matches with S&W 9 mm got excellent accuracy with Sierra 115 grain JHP. When I was in the academy we shot reloaded ammunition with a SWC jacketed bullet. I don't remember the manufacturer but I think it weighed 115 grains. This bullet had a profile similar to the HG 68, 45 ACP 200 grain semi wad cutter.

I saw some impressive groups shot at 25 yards with that SWC bullet out of model 39 and 439 pistols.



Smith & Wesson Barrel S&W 5904 5906 5943 5946 9mm Luger 4 SS
 
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Again, thanks to everyone for their thoughts! I removed the spring that came with my 9mm PC Target Champion, and it was clearly a standard 5906 spring, although the length was nearly 1/2" shorter than a new one. I know that doesn't mean anything other than a 5906 spring was installed by a previous owner in Europe or the U.S. awhile ago. After reviewing a lot of posts, and BMCM's guidance in the thread linked below, I installed a new standard factory 5906 spring, loaded two magazines with some Federal 115 grain FMJs, and headed out back to my range. With these relatively mild factory loads, recoil was very light, and the brass landed in a small pattern around 4 o'clock at a distance of 4-5 feet. According to BMCM, that's about right. I learned to trust the advice and judgment of Master Chief Boatswain's Mates a long time ago, and believe the stock 5906 spring will work well, at least for mild loads, in this pistol. I don't foresee any need to run heavier loads through this pistol, so should be set!

Recoil Springs for my 39-2,639,3914 and 5906
 
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