5906 discharge ith magazine removed

[gboling]

Did all S&W 3rd generation guns have the magazine disconnect? I was trained on California S&W's, with the disconnect, and I was under the impression that some states and some police departments preferred the disconnect and some did not.

But then, I checked my Kimber 1911 and it did not have the disconnect.

 

[yeti]

Sorry to hear of your negligent discharge, Wthur. I hope you make a full recovery. You broke numerous safe handling rules and paid the price. I appreciate the courage it took to post about your poor judgement, as a cautionary tale. Heal up.

 

[GaryS]

That's possible, but you should not sue because you were negligent.
Guns fire deadly projectiles, if you don't respect that you probably shouldn't have a gun.

People sue all the time (and win) when they are negligent. That's why we have waning labels on everything, including lawn mowers, snow blowers, hair driers, bicycles, cars, BBQ grills, stoves, cell phones, laser pointers, ...

You get the point.

As Einstein said, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that there are limits to genius."

 

[shawn mccarver]

I'm sorry, but the only "defect" in this unfortunate business is that of the person who violated all four of the safety rules at once.

Obviously, the shooter ignored "all guns are always loaded" when he did not check. Number two about not pointing at anything you are not willing to destroy - well, no more need be said. Keep finger off the trigger until sights on target? Well, that one went out the window also. Finally, be sure of your target. . . did you really want to shoot your own arm?

I am not trying to be cute, mean, or to make light of the situation, but violation of only one of the four rules usually does not result in injury or property damage. As you can plainly see, you really have to work at it to get this result.

Not just one rule was violated, but all four. And, as can plainly be seen, it takes a stack-up of error to have this result.

This is NOT, I repeat, NOT a defect in the pistol.

The magazine safety could have been demonstrated easily with an UNLOADED pistol, but even then, it should not be pointed at things you are not willing to destroy.

Sorry, but one can not place enough emphasis on safety. Shoot guns long enough, and a negligent discharge is likely - the hope is no personal injury or property damage - apart from a bruised ego.

Be safe out there.

 

[Hill_Country]

Seems like a lot of people in this thread have never done anything stupid. If they had, I wonder if they would man up and admit their mistake so others could learn from it.

I appreciate the OP's honesty. I'm sure he's learned a lesson he won't forget and perhaps someone else will benefit from his experience as well.

 

[John R]

People sue all the time (and win) when they are negligent. That's why we have waning labels on everything, including lawn mowers, snow blowers, hair driers, bicycles, cars, BBQ grills, stoves, cell phones, laser pointers, ...

You get the point.

As Einstein said, "The difference between genius and stupidity is that there are limits to genius."

Sad, but true.

 

[rwsmith]

Seems like an awful lot.....

This reminds me of the thread that was posted on here a few years ago where the guy shot and killed his dog because he thought the gun was unloaded.


He only posted once.

I can't figure it out but it seem like an awful lot of people are killed with unloaded guns. I've been on a crusade to tell people that:

DROPPING THE MAGAZINE ON A SEMI DOESN'T MEAN IT'S UNLOADED

Mothers, teachers, health care professionals, Dads, brothers, friends, barbers.......It doesn't matter if you don't even LIKE guns. Everybody should know this.

 

[0849]

Seems like a lot of people in this thread have never done anything stupid. If they had, I wonder if they would man up and admit their mistake so others could learn from it.

I appreciate the OP's honesty. I'm sure he's learned a lesson he won't forget and perhaps someone else will benefit from his experience as well.

Worth Repeating.

 

[firescout]

Seems like a lot of people in this thread have never done anything stupid. If they had, I wonder if they would man up and admit their mistake so others could learn from it.

I appreciate the OP's honesty. I'm sure he's learned a lesson he won't forget and perhaps someone else will benefit from his experience as well.

I've done a few stupid things with guns, long ago, but have never unintentionally shot myself or another person.

 

[Big Shrek]

I still can't visualize how one puts a round through one's own forearm while pointing the pistol down, as described by the OP. He hasn't been back since the original post. I have my doubts about the veracity . . .

I'll say what should have been said IMMEDIATELY after the OP posted.

PICS/VIDS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

For someone to bombdrop on their first post...questionable at best.
To do it without a shred of supporting evidence like a pic or vid...even more suspicious.
Those are the usual actions of a Hater Troll Poster...

And so, We Wait. He'll either be like half the new 1-shot wonders & never come back...
OR, he'll come back & post the proof.

Either way, we're now stuck with a thread that will last decades as a "failure"...
mostly the failure to follow the rules of firearms...
but the thread is blaming the firearm, not the Trigger Nut holding it, who is ultimately responsible.

 

[85V65Sabre]

Either way, we're now stuck with a thread that will last decades as a "failure"....

I don't see it that way, it looks like a few (me included) have learned that a 3rd gen that is mishandled can go off with the mag removed.

If something is learned from it, then In my eyes this thread is not a "failure".

On the other hand, the act of shooting ones self in the arm while trying to prove how "safe" a gun is.......
Well, obviously a "FAIL".

 

[rwsmith]

Not entirely...

I'll say what should have been said IMMEDIATELY after the OP posted.

PICS/VIDS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

For someone to bombdrop on their first post...questionable at best.
To do it without a shred of supporting evidence like a pic or vid...even more suspicious.
Those are the usual actions of a Hater Troll Poster...

And so, We Wait. He'll either be like half the new 1-shot wonders & never come back...
OR, he'll come back & post the proof.

Either way, we're now stuck with a thread that will last decades as a "failure"...
mostly the failure to follow the rules of firearms...
but the thread is blaming the firearm, not the Trigger Nut holding it, who is ultimately responsible.

You right on most counts but I don't consider it a complete failure if it made anybody aware of the importance of really knowing and following the rules and how you have to really KNOW your gun before putting any bullets in it. That and a lot of people, including me, put the responsibility on the user.

And if he's a troll looking to badmouth S&W, he did a poor job because he was complaining about something that was entirely his own fault. It might even be some anti gun person trying to make guns look more dangerous than they are.

 

[rwsmith]

This could have been discovered....

I believe it is likely that a previous owner may have not liked the magazine disconnect in your 5906 and disabled it.
Too bad you had to find out the hard way.
Jim

A little study with an unloaded pistol would have revealed that flaw.

 

[Jaymo]

I tried this with my 4566 yesterday.
Removed mag. Checked chamber. Checked chamber again.
Double checked empty mag to be sure it was empty.
Inserted empty mag. Released safety.
Pointed in a safe direction (downrange. I was shooting it at the range).
Pulled the trigger back a little in DA.
Removed mag while holding trigger back.
Pulled trigger through.
Yep, it would fire if it had a round in the chamber.

I don't trust any mechanical safety device.

 

[patjmc]

I tried my 659 and the trigger had to be about 3/4 of the way back when I removed the mag to be able to make it go click. If the trigger was just back a little it would not drop the hammer.

 

[85V65Sabre]

I tried this with my 4566 yesterday.
Removed mag. Checked chamber. Checked chamber again.
Double checked empty mag to be sure it was empty.
Inserted empty mag. Released safety.
Pointed in a safe direction (downrange. I was shooting it at the range).
Pulled the trigger back a little in DA.
Removed mag while holding trigger back.
Pulled trigger through.
Yep, it would fire if it had a round in the chamber.

I don't trust any mechanical safety device.

It's not that you can't trust the mag disconnect.
It's my opinion that by pressing on the trigger before you drop the mag you are bypassing it.

 

[Jaymo]

It's not that you can't trust the mag disconnect.
It's my opinion that by pressing on the trigger before you drop the mag you are bypassing it.

You are 100% correct.
I still don't trust anything mechanical, period, not to fail.
My cynicism probably stems from my profession of repairing mechanical, electrical, hydraulic, and electronic things that fail.

But, yes, I was actually bypassing the mag safety.

Notice how I double checked everything to ensure no rounds could get into the chamber.
Also, notice the fact that I had it pointed downrange.

Having had a couple of NDs in my younger days, that did not result in any bodily harm to anyone, I have no interest in reliving those past mistakes.

 

[85V65Sabre]

You are 100% correct.

I still don't trust anything mechanical, period, not to fail.

My cynicism probably stems from my profession of repairing mechanical, electrical, hydraulic, and electronic things that fail.



But, yes, I was actually bypassing the mag safety.



Notice how I double checked everything to ensure no rounds could get into the chamber.

Also, notice the fact that I had it pointed downrange.



Having had a couple of NDs in my younger days, that did not result in any bodily harm to anyone, I have no interest in reliving those past mistakes.

I apologize if I came off rude.

 

[Jaymo]

You did not come off rude.
I was vague.
I did not point out the fact that my distrust of all things mechanical was not the same as the fact that that particular safety device can be bypassed.

Of course, true safety resides between the ears.
Even that can fail or be bypassed, unfortunately.

 

[shawn mccarver]

. . . . but the thread is blaming the firearm, not the Trigger Nut holding it, who is ultimately responsible.

I did not. See my post 44 above.