610 IS Back !!
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Given Ruger's current offerings, I wondered if S&W would bring the 610 back.
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Very few people are going to use a N frame gun for CCW regardless of the barrel length. If they could only offer 2 barrel lengths 4 and 6.5 are good choices. Although a shorter third option wouldn't take anything away from the first two.
Unless it sells really well the 610 is likely going to be S&W's only 10mm revolver. But if it does sell well maybe there will be a L frame 10. Not sure if they could fit 6 rounds into the cylinder but I might buy such a gun even if it held 5. I really like my S&W 69 but it can be a handful with full power magnums. I wouldn't use it for CCW but a L frame 10mm with a 2 3/4 or 3 inch barrel would be an outstanding woods gun and also be a great range gun. I like S&W better but if they do not make a gun like this in the next couple of years I might look at Ruger's GP-100.
It's a supply/demand thing. Those steep 610 prices (especially on GB) were the result of people really wanting a 10mm revolver, and S&W being highly ignorant of the 10mm revolver (and STILL semi-auto) market.
Most pre-lock 610 owners have no intention of selling them. Not because the non-lock 610s will never be produced again, but because they're great guns to have. The only people who will feel any price drop pain are the GB dealers who buy cheap and sell high for a living.
As for my first post...I'm glad that S&W has wised up. Now they need to produce a 10mm L Frame.
I have/had no intention of selling this 610-2, even when they were selling for $1800- $2k on GB.
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Seven handle no problem. Can't wait to load up some flame throwers and launch them from the 4" platform.
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Just to pour some gasoline on the fire, I recently handled a GP100 Match Champion (4-inch) in 10mm at a store. Nicest trigger I've seen on a revolver in a store, both DA and SA. My Python-owning friend was very impressed. Not a bit clunky at all. The clerk let me try several other revolvers as well. The two 686s (both plus) were good, and the Ruger SP101 was very good (!) but that GP100 beat them all. If I was looking for a 10mm revolver, that one would've been it.
I have wondered if it is possible to move a 610's barrel a little higher up in the frame, move the cambers further from the center line and ream a 7th chamber. With the Mountain Gun's tapered barrel that would be quite a revolver.
Alternatively a 6 shot could be sold with a second cylinder chambered for .38-40 Winchester. This one would mostly be for retired men looking for more reloaders projects.
I could not buy enough of them to pay for the R&D & tooling so a few of you guys would have to want them as well.
Alternatively a 6 shot could be sold with a second cylinder chambered for .38-40 Winchester. This one would mostly be for retired men looking for more reloaders projects.
I could not buy enough of them to pay for the R&D & tooling so a few of you guys would have to want them as well.
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As an experiment, I downloaded some 44 mag to 10 mm power, 200 gr bullet @1200 fps. Shot quite comfortably out of 69 snubby.
So in a backhanded way, I found my L-frame pseudo 10 and it didn't cost me $900.
I will say the effects on the dueling tree were spectacular, the plates didn't just flip over and back but 2 of the 5 were blown out of the stand and ended up in the berm.
So in a backhanded way, I found my L-frame pseudo 10 and it didn't cost me $900.
I will say the effects on the dueling tree were spectacular, the plates didn't just flip over and back but 2 of the 5 were blown out of the stand and ended up in the berm.
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I have held my breath and said that I would never own an IL Smith, that being said I think I would buy one of those. I have 10mm semi-autos but I love my revolvers.
I much prefer the 2 1/2" 310 over the 3" 610 as a personal defensive sidearm
The 10MM Magnum cartridge yields an additional 200-400 FPS over the 10MM Auto cartridge
Are there any threads covering this? Can you point me in that direction? I'm interested, thanks!
Looks like The_Truth asked first, disregard
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The snubbed-nose 10mms are a joke, ballistically speaking.
You've an excellent cartridge and what do you do? You rob it of all its velocity with such a short barrel. At that point your much better off with a 6 shot .44 Special snub with a moderate load.
The 10mm needs at least a 4" barrel in a revolver to do the cartridge justice. You just take away so much energy...
You've an excellent cartridge and what do you do? You rob it of all its velocity with such a short barrel. At that point your much better off with a 6 shot .44 Special snub with a moderate load.
The 10mm needs at least a 4" barrel in a revolver to do the cartridge justice. You just take away so much energy...
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I'm just glad to finally have the chance at an affordable 610, always wanted one. Will even make an exception for the goofy lock,,,
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Yeah on a N-frame, I'd just as soon go with a bigger round, preferably a .44 Special.
Now a 6-shot 10mm L-frame would be another beast.
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If Ruger can make room for 6 10's in a GP 100, no reason S&W can't fit six in a L frame. They did it with the .40, so that's a no brainer.
AND, no need for a full length underlug either.
AND, no need for a full length underlug either.
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I much prefer the 2 1/2" 310 over the 3" 610 as a personal defensive sidearm
The 10MM Magnum cartridge yields an additional 200-400 FPS over the 10MM Auto cartridge
Nice guns!
Personally, the only reason I want less than a 3" barrel is when I plan to pocket carry, which I think will be tough with a 310. I'm onboard for a 10mm Magnum L frame!!!
As far as the ballistic loss due to barrel length, people say the same thing about 357, but it's still a pretty dang potent caliber when fired out of a snubbie.
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10mm Auto another chance
I'm right there with you, but I don't care about having a Lock,
if the Fit and Finish are Great.
But like I always say, S&W Revolvers with the Side Plate Lock
is the next Phase of Collecting S&W Revolvers.
I like the Idea, now you can buy a Brand Spanking New in the
Box, Untouched, with all the Documents/Paper S&W Model 610
10MM Auto. With a Swing-out Cylinder Hand Ejector Revolver
I won't have to run all over looking for my Reloaded Brass.
I believe Old Model 610 prices will slump some, but remain high,
now have the Disadvantage of Leverage, when a purchaser can buy a new one
at a Reasonable price.
I try to avoid used Guns, and I'm a push over for New in the Box Guns.
I'm right there with you, but I don't care about having a Lock,
if the Fit and Finish are Great.
But like I always say, S&W Revolvers with the Side Plate Lock
is the next Phase of Collecting S&W Revolvers.
I like the Idea, now you can buy a Brand Spanking New in the
Box, Untouched, with all the Documents/Paper S&W Model 610
10MM Auto. With a Swing-out Cylinder Hand Ejector Revolver
I won't have to run all over looking for my Reloaded Brass.
I believe Old Model 610 prices will slump some, but remain high,
now have the Disadvantage of Leverage, when a purchaser can buy a new one
at a Reasonable price.
I try to avoid used Guns, and I'm a push over for New in the Box Guns.
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I much prefer the 2 1/2" 310 over the 3" 610 as a personal defensive sidearm
The 10MM Magnum cartridge yields an additional 200-400 FPS over the 10MM Auto cartridge
I've often thought of going the magnum route, but hated making any mods to my no dash model. Now with the new ones coming out, I may pick up one of the new 610s (along with a lock delete plug from Ed Jennings) just so I could do the conversion. Bravo Zulu to S&W for actually listening to us for a change.
I do pocket carry the Night Guards.
5.11 makes a pant called the Covert Khaki. It has deep, well shaped front pockets. The older version was better than the 2.0 but it is what it is
It just looks like I have a wad of keys in there
You could always just pick up a spare cylinder and re-chamber it
Though I do not really think of this as a mod since it does not change any portion of how the revolver works.
Depending on the projectile you use, the gain is roughly 200-400 FPS.
There are tons of 38 Special revolvers out there hath have cylinder that were re-chambered for 357 Magnum. I have found dozens when I remember to check.
Anybody know if the new releases will still be the 610-3? If it is another dash number, i.e. some type of change that will have an affect on the value/price of the "lock" model 610-3"s.
Also, the "short" dash 3 is listed as 3 7/8 inch and the new release is advertised as 4 inches.
Luckily I got my dash 3 at a deal. (Yea, I know, I'm cheap)
I like the ability to be able to use .40 ammo as I have a fair amount of .40 stockpiled for my MP5K in .40.
The "banana" grips make it easier for me to shoot.
Also, the "short" dash 3 is listed as 3 7/8 inch and the new release is advertised as 4 inches.
Luckily I got my dash 3 at a deal. (Yea, I know, I'm cheap)
I like the ability to be able to use .40 ammo as I have a fair amount of .40 stockpiled for my MP5K in .40.
The "banana" grips make it easier for me to shoot.
They use moon clips and the 10mm has almost identical ballistics to high end .357 magnums BUT the long, skinny .357s are a pain to load quickly with moon clips, they can become pitched and hang up.
The shorter, fatter, rounder 10mms slide ride into the cylinders, especially after a chamfer job. Basically, the 10mm is easier and faster to reload under stress vs the .357 even if both use moon clips.
Also, the 10mm shoots a bigger heavier bullet with every bit as much energy as a .357 magnum. It just all adds up to a fast loading, very hard hitting, superb little setup. Also another plus to the 610 is it can use .40 S&W ammo for cheap practice and/or lower recoil. Prices on .40 S&W are very low today, actually often lower than .38 Special, but few will argue a .38 hits harder than the .40, so for the same "buck" you get more bang!
What a versatile pistol the 610 is! With the longer barrel and maximum 10mm loads with heavy bullets, it's suitable for everything up to boar and deer. With the shorter 4" bbl, it makes an ideal defensive revolver. If I were a cop on duty today and had to use a wheel gun for whatever reason, it would be the 610 and I'd have a speedloader pouch modified to carry two moonclips stacked on top of each other.
So yeah... no wonder the 610 is a huge hit with guys in the know! On the surface, it might be a head scratcher to some, but consider the benefits and the beauty quickly shows!!
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It's OK to want something that has no point. Heck, most of my guns fall into that category.
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