Glad you read it closely. Half the time people on a Forum look at a section of the study and completely fail to see the sizable increase in failure to stop the aggression percentages once the caliber goes below .380. Then they post, this guy says a .25 acp is as effective as an .45 acp, which is not what he's saying.
9mm seems inferior to me. Why?
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Glad you read it closely. Half the time people on a Forum look at a section of the study and completely fail to see the sizable increase in failure to stop the aggression percentages once the caliber goes below .380. Then they post, this guy says a .25 acp is as effective as an .45 acp, which is not what he's saying.
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I have done a ton of research and so on. I have actually found that I am very fond of the 9mm.
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pistol-training.com » Blog Archive » FBI & 9mm. As is the modern trend, supported by all the research, even the FBI (not at all a cutting edge agency in most ways) is going to be shifting to a 9mm duty round.
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I carried the 9mm as a duty round for 18 of my 34 years in service....in several pistol platforms and in the MP-5......bullet design has come a long way since the 70's when I first started shooting the 9mm......bullet placement is critical as it is with any caliber.....today's modern hollow points offer very good terminal ballistics..I have tested several modern hollow point loads in ballistic gelatin...and most of them are quite impressive....my EDC pistol is a hi cap 9mm......I have seen quite a few post mortems where 9mm JHP's were involved and I have faith in the round.....
I carried the 9mm as a duty round for 18 of my 34 years in service....in several pistol platforms and in the MP-5......bullet design has come a long way since the 70's when I first started shooting the 9mm......bullet placement is critical as it is with any caliber.....today's modern hollow points offer very good terminal ballistics..I have tested several modern hollow point loads in ballistic gelatin...and most of them are quite impressive....my EDC pistol is a hi cap 9mm......I have seen quite a few post mortems where 9mm JHP's were involved and I have faith in the round.....
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I haven't read every post in this thread. Maybe some things to consider.
The Germans lost two wars using 9mm.
When using Handguns the bigger the hole the better.
Shot placement.
How big a gun can you handle and put the bullet in the proper place?
Steve C
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When I first got into shooting in the 70's I was young and read the gun magazines and just about anything else about guns, no internet you know. The 9mm was much maligned as being an ineffective round, probably as much because it was more European and because it wasn't used much by law enforcement so good defensive ammo hadn't been developed for it as much as the .38 and .357 mag. I bought and would shoot Colt .357 mags and Colt 1911's. Glad I did because the value of those guns has made the purchase of them a dandy investment.
Later as law enforcement converted to hi capacity 9mm's to fight the gangs armed with the same in the late 70's and early 80's all of a sudden the 9mm wasn't so denigrated by the gun writers and better ammo and more actual experience proved the 9mm to be better than the .38 spl commonly carried by the police a few years earlier.
I bought a few 9's and enjoyed shooting them, esp. with the cheap ammo coming in from China, and the former Communist countries. The defensive ammo got better and I came to the realization that the 9mm was every bit as good as the .45 for defensive use in anything I would likely come up against and the extra rounds in the mag where more comfort than the bugger slug so while I still shoot the .45's and the .357 and .41 mag revolvers for hunting, fun and at targets I carry my 9's and even a .380 Kel Tec for concealed carry SD and only on a rare occasions drag out a snub nose .38 or 1911 for nostalgia.
Age may not have made me much wiser but it has made me more accepting of adequacy in using something a bit less than maybe the absolute most deadly caliber and round in return for more comfort and concealment.
Later as law enforcement converted to hi capacity 9mm's to fight the gangs armed with the same in the late 70's and early 80's all of a sudden the 9mm wasn't so denigrated by the gun writers and better ammo and more actual experience proved the 9mm to be better than the .38 spl commonly carried by the police a few years earlier.
I bought a few 9's and enjoyed shooting them, esp. with the cheap ammo coming in from China, and the former Communist countries. The defensive ammo got better and I came to the realization that the 9mm was every bit as good as the .45 for defensive use in anything I would likely come up against and the extra rounds in the mag where more comfort than the bugger slug so while I still shoot the .45's and the .357 and .41 mag revolvers for hunting, fun and at targets I carry my 9's and even a .380 Kel Tec for concealed carry SD and only on a rare occasions drag out a snub nose .38 or 1911 for nostalgia.
Age may not have made me much wiser but it has made me more accepting of adequacy in using something a bit less than maybe the absolute most deadly caliber and round in return for more comfort and concealment.
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Silly Germans. They figured out how to build fabulous roads, watches and automobiles. You'd think they'd figure out that if they'd only have built their handgun projectile one tenth of an inch larger in diameter and 400 fps slower they could have ruled the world.
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