shouldazagged
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Base-of-the-skull shot to the medulla? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but never heard of the 800-killing night.
9mm seems inferior to me. Why?
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Base-of-the-skull shot to the medulla? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but never heard of the 800-killing night.
hkcavalier
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Bullet placement IS everything which was one of three actual lessons from the '86 FBI shootout (the other two --- actually WEAR your body armor, and accurate rifle fire > pistol or shotgun fire at medium range). Both of the perps continued to fight until they had received CNS (central nervous system) hits. Hits to the spine or brain will end a fight immediately. Two center mass and one to the head, repeat if necessary.
sigp220.45
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pmosley
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jtpur
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I always say the same thing. If you believe the 9mm is inferior, just release me from liability and ill gladly shoot you with one. Let me know your opinion after being hit. Assuming you survive that is. Or perhaps you'd prefer I use a .22 or worse yet a . 25!!!!!!! Only making a point I would never shoot you.
mkk41
US Veteran
Correct.
Barnes COTW lists the 154gr bullet of the M-N as hitting 2886fps and the185gr as hitting 2660fps. Doesn't say if it's the 29in barrel on the 91/30 or the 22in barrel of the carbine though.
The 150gr M2 bullet only hits 2740fps out of a 24in barrel of a 1903 or Garand.
Nitrous SSC
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I'm kinda scared you know this guy and his kill/death ratio.
Rpg
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Maybe you've hit on it, partially: the 9 is poor, the 45 great and the 40 an inadequate compromise.
I too and do not see a need for the 40sw. The 40sw is not better than the 9mm in shootings and not has good as the 45acp. The forty will go way side to the 9mm and is in many L.E. roles today as they get rid of the 40sw. The 40sw is like a 16ga no better than a 20ga. and not a good as a 12ga. The 40sw kool aid has worn off. The 9mm is the most used pistol cal. in the world.
Here are my thoughts on the subject of caliber:
A Case For Your Carry Caliber and Why They All Suck | The Desert's Edge
calmex
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Stalin's executioner is often mentioned in articles on the Katyn forest massacre. It's where I knew about him from. Uncle Joe didn't run a nice regime.
Maze 686
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Don't know where you get your Law Enforcement Ammo, but every department that I know of gets theirs right off the self from distributers. The same place the gun shops get theirs from.
Really? Ever seen 9mm ammo that you cannot find anywhere other than LE distributors? Plus, have you used any .40 that everyone bitches about the government is buying up, like from Federal? I can tell you this, it ain't the same ammo. All the HD ammo these companies sell civilians certainly don't feel like the ammo I've gotten to shoot over the last few months. Also, see how easy it is to find the exact same LE ammo at regular retailers or gun shops UNLESS, they are a LE distributor.
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Some things I have learned through the years is that if I stopped ten successive rhino charges with one respective shot each with a 9mm then it would still not be enough to convince some it's a good cartridge. On the other hand, if I showed a die hard .45 ACP lover, who has sucked up every Legion Hall BS story all of his life, ten successive examples of a .45 ACP not stopping someone they would dismiss it out of hand because "my Uncle Ralph killed 50 Krauts in the Big One with a 1911." Never mind that Ralph was a cook stateside.
All I know is what I know & what I've seen. Having said that I would take a 9mm stuffed full of 115 gr. +p+ JHP's over any .45 any day & every day. It works.
All I know is what I know & what I've seen. Having said that I would take a 9mm stuffed full of 115 gr. +p+ JHP's over any .45 any day & every day. It works.
Stopping power
How many forum members have actually seen someone shot with a handgun, 1st hand?
I have. Big diff between ballistic gel tests and the real thing.
Bigger hole, more blood loss, more shock. Read all you want. Nobody knows anything with out having the experience.
How many forum members have actually seen someone shot with a handgun, 1st hand?
I have. Big diff between ballistic gel tests and the real thing.
Bigger hole, more blood loss, more shock. Read all you want. Nobody knows anything with out having the experience.
jadek669
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I do love this kind of post. 90% BS and 10 % fact. Who gives a rats butt what caliber you think sucks. You shoot what you have and be happy you have it to defend yourself and family. Just hit where you are aiming, and I doubt there will be much of a problem.. IMHO
shouldazagged
Absent Comrade
Last one I saw was shot five times with .32 ACP. The shooter started at his crotch and worked north. Taking him to surgery was merely a formality.
To each his own, and it seems most people have strong opinions about comparative caliber effectiveness. I'm a +P .38 Special throwback myself. But I know well-placed shots from anything from .22LR to .45 ACP will render someone null and void. I just happen to trust my .38's and my ability to shoot them.
Name your poison, boys. I'm out of this one. I'm sure a similar thread will be launched soon. Probably another one about .380.
Vulcan Bob
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Revisiting the post to see the latest commentary and a old incident came to mind, there was a killing in Bedford Pa, oh back around 1977 and the lead investigator was from our barracks, it turns out a married couple was in an argument and the wife decided to end the altercation with a shot to the chest of the man from a .25 ACP. Well it was a one shot stop and near instantaneous death, the tiny little bullet went through the heart, exited clean through, down the hall, through a closet door and was found lodged in clothing inside. I asked the Trooper, a .25 ACP did all that!??! Yup it did. Now does that mean the .25 ACP is the ultimate defensive caliber of choice, of course not. Once again shot placement and a rather unexpected performance from an anemic cartridge unfortunately did the job. Out here in real life I guess it really comes down to what you are comfortable with and are proficient with.
Blood loss and shock don't mean a thing. Immediate incapacitation is desired. Blood loss and shock can be too slow.
Look at the many people that were shot in the heart only to run 40-50 yards before falling down and dying?
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This guy confirmed what I have believed for a long time.
Hit the perp once or twice with a 380ACP to 45ACP and they will generally stop what they are doing.
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
Hit the perp once or twice with a 380ACP to 45ACP and they will generally stop what they are doing.
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
