9mm seems inferior to me. Why?

Maybe your eye sight is so bad you need the biggest holes possible in your targets to see what is happening ?

Could be that you are very tired when you are shooting and need the heavy recoil to wake you up, so you can fire the next shot ?

Sure hope you find out what the problem is...........
 
fallhunter said:
I guess I have a mental block. I can't help but to think that the 9mm is an inferior round. The .380 even more so. I love the .40 however. The .45 is ok also but not as fast as the .40. So that said, I like and only own semi-autos. What could this mental block possibly be?

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Hum... evidently you think that size matters.

Seriously, when one uses modern high-performance ammunition, there is little if any real difference between the 9mm, the .40 S&W and the .45 ACP. None of them are nuclear weapons. Marginal hits with any of them will produce poor results. Nice center hits with the .45 ACP... or the .40 S&W will get the same results as the 9mm. However, when it comes to getting those nice center hits under the stress of a HD/SD incident, lots of folks do better with the 9mm. In very light weight pistols, control will be an issue the same as with the .40 S&W or .45 ACP. However, in decent service weight pistols, the 9mm is easier to control... and easier to use for getting hits.
 
7shooter said:
Here is some interesting research on this topic by Greg Ellifritz. His conclusion is that in the common handgun calibers there is little difference in the real world. He found that shotguns and rifles give a much more effective bang.

An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
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No offense, but you kind of misread the study.

What says is that the average number of rounds to incapacitation is similar. In other words, of the people a handgun stopped, what is the average rounds fired? They are comparable. What it also says is that the majority of rounds had a similar lethality percentage. What is not contained in that study is the time it took to kill. There is a difference between a fully functional BG firing at you who dies 12 hours later and one who dies 10 seconds after being shot and did not have the time to kill you.

The main finding you overlooked is one of the critical ones, % of people not incapacitated and there is a sizable difference in those percentages once you go below the .380 according to the study.

As far a rifles and shotguns being better than a pistol, in most calibers, that's a given.
 
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Some of us are Lawyers and have 2, which one do you want to buy?

For years is was the 9 vs 45 debate...... one "bad" FBI shoot out and we compromise on the 10mm which is too much for most Agents so they compromise again to the .40... the .38 spl. of the .357 magnum.

Never could find any of that pistol ammo that throws the bad guy backwards across the room ..........

So.......... being too old to care.... and to each his/her ( being PC) own........

I vote 9mm then .45 for EDC........ "go ahead make my day!"

FMJ....... .45 only

PCC (MP-5 or a Beretta CX-9 Storm) nine is fine......... we are not here to spray and pray...... but to place 2 fast and well placed shots..

Expecting a gun fight...... .308, .223, 12/20 gage...... actually I'd just try to stay home that day...LOL

Edit: Heck......... forgot the .357Sig..... maybe that will throw the bad guys across the room! It sure sounds bada.___!!!
 
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Go shoot your leg with a 9MM. Let us know how it turns out.

Chances are you said "HELL NO!!" Exactly, I wouldn't want to get shot with one either.
 
I've got a standing invitation for anybody who thinks this caliber isn't effective or that caliber is the wonder-bullet to head down range and hold my target for me. Haven't had any takers yet.

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I've heard some 'experts' actually tell people a .38 Special is more effective than a 9mm.

9mm - 124gr JHP usually around 1150fps.

.38 Special - 125gr JHP usually 875fps

:confused::confused::confused:

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It's all about the mechanics and physics behind the bullet, itself.

Tumbles?

Passes straight through?

Amount of energy transfer to target?

Location of impact?

Etc. etc.

Any round has a level of lethality. It's all about what is comfortable for you and your SD weapon of choice.
 
mkk41 said:
I've heard some 'experts' actually tell people a .38 Special is more effective than a 9mm.

9mm - 124gr JHP usually around 1150fps.

.38 Special - 125gr JHP usually 875fps

:confused::confused::confused:

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True, but you can also get .38 Special ammo that sends a 158gr bullet out at about that speed, or faster. Some of them are HP. Some folks might think that's better than a 115 or 125, perhaps because of better penetration. But wait, isn't 9mm FMJ over penetrative? Or was that .45ACP FMJ? And is penetration good or bad? And should I carry the 10mm my son gave me? I CAN shoot it, although the gun itself is a little heavier than my improved Model 56. Also, a question about knockdown power: if one shot from my (whatever, but it has to start with a 4) knocks the guilty party backwards against a wall, and he doesn't actually fall down, but just kind of slithers down the wall, does that count? And how did that happen, anyway? Was the law of conservation of momentum repealed? Why was I not notified? I am sure that I was on the distribution list at one time.
 
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