Goodtime Charlie
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Tunnel vision happens to everyone, it is a normal reaction in critical incidents. Another phenomena that occurs is loss of hearing, and time distortion.
A hard lesson from John Farnam
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shot at by multiple cops and only one wound? Yeah sounds like LAPD or NYPD.
I am in my 40's now but I took one of John Farnam classes, as a fatherless and really dumb 20 year old John made an impression on me and changed my life for the better.
His triple S rule saved my life many, many, many times.
Don't be in Stupid places
With Stupid people
Doing Stupid things
I am in my 40's now but I took one of John Farnam classes, as a fatherless and really dumb 20 year old John made an impression on me and changed my life for the better.
His triple S rule saved my life many, many, many times.
Don't be in Stupid places
With Stupid people
Doing Stupid things
As per usual, there appears to be more to the story...
According to this article (if it's accurate), she was in her BACKyard and shot at what she thought were intruders. Now she's charged with attempted murder.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-04-25/lapd-video-jillian-lauren-shooting
I don't know the facts so I won't rush to any conclusions.
I will tell y'all what happened to my brother. He was in his recliner dozing in front of the television-it was evening and already dark outside-when he gets a rapping on the back door right next to him. He was startled awake and went to the back door with his pistol by his side. There were two sheriff's deputies at the door. They saw his pistol and told him to put it away which he did. They then proceeded to question him about the vacant wooded lot next door and accused him of growing pot. When he wouldn't "confess", they left and didn't come back.
What you can't tell from my story, is the layout of the property and how hard my brother's back door was to approach (especially in the dark). The front door faced the street and was more accessible.
When I heard this from my brother, I realized that he was lucky to be alive. We have a pretty competent sheriff's department where I live (I've called on them a couple of times), but knocking on someone's backdoor after dark (without a warrant or probable cause) doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in those particular officer's.
I lot of unknown's to the OP's story. Was the woman aware of the manhunt? What was her mental state? Were the policemen 'stalking' around in the backyard which could be perceived as suspicious? How were the officers dressed-were they recognizable?
The fact that this occurred in her backyard throws a different light on things.
Time will reveal all the details as the investigation proceeds. I'll be curious to see if the attempted murder chargers stick.
According to this article (if it's accurate), she was in her BACKyard and shot at what she thought were intruders. Now she's charged with attempted murder.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-04-25/lapd-video-jillian-lauren-shooting
I don't know the facts so I won't rush to any conclusions.
I will tell y'all what happened to my brother. He was in his recliner dozing in front of the television-it was evening and already dark outside-when he gets a rapping on the back door right next to him. He was startled awake and went to the back door with his pistol by his side. There were two sheriff's deputies at the door. They saw his pistol and told him to put it away which he did. They then proceeded to question him about the vacant wooded lot next door and accused him of growing pot. When he wouldn't "confess", they left and didn't come back.
What you can't tell from my story, is the layout of the property and how hard my brother's back door was to approach (especially in the dark). The front door faced the street and was more accessible.
When I heard this from my brother, I realized that he was lucky to be alive. We have a pretty competent sheriff's department where I live (I've called on them a couple of times), but knocking on someone's backdoor after dark (without a warrant or probable cause) doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in those particular officer's.
I lot of unknown's to the OP's story. Was the woman aware of the manhunt? What was her mental state? Were the policemen 'stalking' around in the backyard which could be perceived as suspicious? How were the officers dressed-were they recognizable?
The fact that this occurred in her backyard throws a different light on things.
Time will reveal all the details as the investigation proceeds. I'll be curious to see if the attempted murder chargers stick.
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TaxPhd
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I can’t imagine a single scenario in which I’d voluntarily hand over my firearm and wallet to a LEO.
You know, years ago when I went to the local chief of police to get a letter for a concealed carry license, he told me that if I ever had to use a gun, my life would be forever changed, no matter the legality or circumstances under which said use occurred. At that time I decided that if I wanted to go somewhere that I felt a gun was necessary, I should probably stay home.
That is a truly foolish response and reason to keep the gun in hand. Most experienced people put the gun in a holster, pocket or just out of sight when police arrive. They keep their hands in view and advised police they are the caller. And only then do they tell police they are armed.
Having responded to many, anyone who says they are refusing to drop the gun and demand police come and get it, has just refused to comply and elevated the situation to where police is justified to fire if you make any movement at all.
When I was a prosecutor, I never filed a gun charge at anyone that was not an aggressor, but I can see where you could be charged with the crime of refusing to follow a lawful order.
Additionally, in my state, you could lose your permit for that and should. You do not get the right to tell police how to address their response, once they have been called and the alone own the right to decide who does what on your property.
The fact that it is an expensive gun in your view is meaningless, who cares, it is a gun, it has the same utility as a Highpoint in that minute.
I understand you were under stress and not thinking in a level handed manner, lots of people panic and do not think clearly. Just a suggestion, conceal it next time, it may save you from getting shot. It is great that you caught them red handed, does not get much better than that.
One other suggestion on calls like that. Be sure to tell the dispatcher, MORE THAN ONCE, you are the good guy and your are wearing.......or the bad guys are wearing......green and blue or whatever. Dispatchers get confused, make sure they know the good guy from the bad. And because bad guys move around, stay on the line with the dispatcher, and you can tell them when you are coming out. Again, never with a gun in hand, no reason for that.
Many years ago, I was an uncover guy. It was deer season and I was camping and bow hunting 120 miles from home. A major storm hit and wrapped me up in my tent in high wind, rain, hail and all of that. Wet, muddy and beat up, I threw everything in the Jeep and headed for a motel 20 miles away getting there about mid=night. I stopped at a 7-11 and got a couple of those $1 dollar hotdogs, chips and drink and proceeded to look for a motel.
Driving along slowly, looking for any cheap motel, an officer pulled me over. I was long hair and beard, muddy all over, and the back seat of the Jeep filled with a wet/muddy tent, bow and camping gear. I looked pretty grungy.
The officer demanded ID and before I could mention that I was an officer, read me the riot act. Driving along slow is what people on marijuana do, slow is probable cause. And my appearance made me look like Charles Manson, so he assumed I was a thug, like I looked. And my insurance card was inside the console, in which was a loaded cocked and locked 45 acp on top, the way I carried at the time. . He was so tense, I just told him I did not have my insurance papers handy because I did not want to open that console.
As he looked at my driver's license, I said, well I am a police officer here on vacation, hunting deer. The whole world changed.
He said, you are here with the task force, right? No, I am just here hunting, and I did not even bring my badge. His response was, sure, I know you guys never carry badges. Welcome to the county. He then advised me where to find a motel and all was good to go.
However, even as an officer I sensed his fear and did not dare move or say anything to set him off. You just never know.
Another time, 300 miles away, again hunting. An officer/deputy walked by my truck and looked at deer in the bed. As he approached, I mentioned, I have a permit and a handgun under my shirt here. I was not in law enforcement at the time, I had not been stopped, he just saw me parked and walker over to see my big deer, like hunters do.
So, when I pointed to my belly where the gun was concealed, he said, "that is bullshitt, that is just bull ****tt". I did no know what to say, so I said, "what" And he said, ""that is bullshittt, nobody should need a permit to carry a gun".
The point is, you just never know how an officer will respond. In the last 20 years or so I have been stopped twice for speeding Both times I told the officer as he approached, I have a permit and a firearm. Both time the office said, OK, no problem. They did not ask to see the permit or the gun, it was no big deal.
However, having been the patrol officer making such stops, if I had face tattoos or a ring in the nose, I am sure the discussion would have gone differently. I suspect they would have ran me for warrants, to make sure I was not a felon is possession. Your appearance tells the officer if you are friendly foe. I see those little stickers on cars and trucks all the time, the ones you get for donating to the local sheriff or police. They say something like, "Support the Men in Blue or Support the Local Sheriff." You give them $20 and they give you a sticker for your car. Right wrong, or indifferent, they are worth the $20 because they deem you a friendly. Perception is reality. Dress nice if you can, be nice and keep your guns out of sight. My 2 cents.
Driving along slowly, looking for any cheap motel, an officer pulled me over. I was long hair and beard, muddy all over, and the back seat of the Jeep filled with a wet/muddy tent, bow and camping gear. I looked pretty grungy.
The officer demanded ID and before I could mention that I was an officer, read me the riot act. Driving along slow is what people on marijuana do, slow is probable cause. And my appearance made me look like Charles Manson, so he assumed I was a thug, like I looked. And my insurance card was inside the console, in which was a loaded cocked and locked 45 acp on top, the way I carried at the time. . He was so tense, I just told him I did not have my insurance papers handy because I did not want to open that console.
As he looked at my driver's license, I said, well I am a police officer here on vacation, hunting deer. The whole world changed.
He said, you are here with the task force, right? No, I am just here hunting, and I did not even bring my badge. His response was, sure, I know you guys never carry badges. Welcome to the county. He then advised me where to find a motel and all was good to go.
However, even as an officer I sensed his fear and did not dare move or say anything to set him off. You just never know.
Another time, 300 miles away, again hunting. An officer/deputy walked by my truck and looked at deer in the bed. As he approached, I mentioned, I have a permit and a handgun under my shirt here. I was not in law enforcement at the time, I had not been stopped, he just saw me parked and walker over to see my big deer, like hunters do.
So, when I pointed to my belly where the gun was concealed, he said, "that is bullshitt, that is just bull ****tt". I did no know what to say, so I said, "what" And he said, ""that is bullshittt, nobody should need a permit to carry a gun".
The point is, you just never know how an officer will respond. In the last 20 years or so I have been stopped twice for speeding Both times I told the officer as he approached, I have a permit and a firearm. Both time the office said, OK, no problem. They did not ask to see the permit or the gun, it was no big deal.
However, having been the patrol officer making such stops, if I had face tattoos or a ring in the nose, I am sure the discussion would have gone differently. I suspect they would have ran me for warrants, to make sure I was not a felon is possession. Your appearance tells the officer if you are friendly foe. I see those little stickers on cars and trucks all the time, the ones you get for donating to the local sheriff or police. They say something like, "Support the Men in Blue or Support the Local Sheriff." You give them $20 and they give you a sticker for your car. Right wrong, or indifferent, they are worth the $20 because they deem you a friendly. Perception is reality. Dress nice if you can, be nice and keep your guns out of sight. My 2 cents.
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