cmj8591
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Vista reported a 29% sales increase and a 79% profit increase for the second quarter so I think they're doing ok right now.
A Message From Federal, CCI, Speer And Remington On Ammo
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Vista reported a 29% sales increase and a 79% profit increase for the second quarter so I think they're doing ok right now.
I find the Vanderbrink video annoying. Condescending and gaslighting.
President of all these companies, and he comes out in a plaid shirt. "I'm one of you."
No, you aren't.
The Big Number Razzle Dazzle is ridiculous, as some have pointed out above. 12,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition are sold in the U.S. every year. Millions of guns are sold in the U.S. every year. More wear sold last year. But talking 7 million is a head fake. The significant number would be the DIFFERENCE between last year and this.
In the end, I think gun sales in the U.S. in 2020 has double ought zero to do with the ammo shortage.
K, Vanderbrink says the shortage is being caused by our buying more/buying too much.
Has anyone noticed that we CAN'T BUY ANY? We are causing the shortage by buying too much when we can't buy any. Stores are empty. Online sellers have no stock. NO BACK ORDERS.
Vanderbrink's assertion equates to the Colorado running dry because the people of Yuma are using too much water.
At this point, I don't trust Vanderbrink. He says he is making more ammo, and washes his hands of the problem. "Stop sending me hate mail."
What he offers is a false solution. NO AMMO IS GETTING THROUGH TO THE SHELVES. His making more changes nothing.
What he should do is to investigate the distribution of his product. Which distributors are they sending it to? He should ask them what they are doing with it. Insist they drill down to find out where it is. He should use his position to help us, not accuse us. Seriously, your customers are bad because they are buying too much of your product?
Vanderbrink says he is making more. The shelves are empty. So, Mr Vanderbrink, do something good: find out where it's going. It ain't at Cabelas. It ain't at Natchezss.
President of all these companies, and he comes out in a plaid shirt. "I'm one of you."
No, you aren't.
The Big Number Razzle Dazzle is ridiculous, as some have pointed out above. 12,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition are sold in the U.S. every year. Millions of guns are sold in the U.S. every year. More wear sold last year. But talking 7 million is a head fake. The significant number would be the DIFFERENCE between last year and this.
In the end, I think gun sales in the U.S. in 2020 has double ought zero to do with the ammo shortage.
K, Vanderbrink says the shortage is being caused by our buying more/buying too much.
Has anyone noticed that we CAN'T BUY ANY? We are causing the shortage by buying too much when we can't buy any. Stores are empty. Online sellers have no stock. NO BACK ORDERS.
Vanderbrink's assertion equates to the Colorado running dry because the people of Yuma are using too much water.
At this point, I don't trust Vanderbrink. He says he is making more ammo, and washes his hands of the problem. "Stop sending me hate mail."
What he offers is a false solution. NO AMMO IS GETTING THROUGH TO THE SHELVES. His making more changes nothing.
What he should do is to investigate the distribution of his product. Which distributors are they sending it to? He should ask them what they are doing with it. Insist they drill down to find out where it is. He should use his position to help us, not accuse us. Seriously, your customers are bad because they are buying too much of your product?
Vanderbrink says he is making more. The shelves are empty. So, Mr Vanderbrink, do something good: find out where it's going. It ain't at Cabelas. It ain't at Natchezss.
I think that keeping the ammo shortage continuing has a great affect on financial leverage. You have a guaranteed sales proforma for the next several years. This especially works if you have a vertically integrated factory. You do have to meter commodities like lead and brass so you don't have to stop manufacturing altogether. Stopping completely would really screw things up.
Do we really believe the guy at the top is actually dealing with the little people's complaints?
They hire people just for that job. He's not dirtying his hands with that.
He's an important person. Sounds like fake indignity to me.
I agree. He should look into where/who his shipments are actually going to. I doubt they're being dispersed equably.
But he likely already knows the answer to that & won't ask it.
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scoobysnacker
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I'm pretty sure this video is a bit of plain ol' marketing intended to make us less angry at them.
Yes, the panic buying surge probably cleaned out everyone's backstock. Yes, the covid restrictions probably did initially slow the flow of raw materials needed for some components.
But these guys are back up and running, and I'm very certain they've taken note that their product would sell in the US instantly for 2-3x what they had been charging, and like any good capitalists they adjusted the prices accordingly. It's only natural, you have the singular chance to make a ton of more money, do it while you can.
And now they're getting called out on it, and are trying to run cover for that. Some of the issue is the internet and the ability to talk to people in other countries... when you discover that Blazer Brass 9mm is in stock and selling in Canada for 0.20 USD same as last year, and that prices in Europe are similar (ask Classic12 about that), it exposes what they're doing.
I know some people say prices won't drop here until we stop buying everything we see, but I also think that we won't stop buying until we see and accept that there will be a continued supply. A lot just aren't sold on that, yet.
Yes, the panic buying surge probably cleaned out everyone's backstock. Yes, the covid restrictions probably did initially slow the flow of raw materials needed for some components.
But these guys are back up and running, and I'm very certain they've taken note that their product would sell in the US instantly for 2-3x what they had been charging, and like any good capitalists they adjusted the prices accordingly. It's only natural, you have the singular chance to make a ton of more money, do it while you can.
And now they're getting called out on it, and are trying to run cover for that. Some of the issue is the internet and the ability to talk to people in other countries... when you discover that Blazer Brass 9mm is in stock and selling in Canada for 0.20 USD same as last year, and that prices in Europe are similar (ask Classic12 about that), it exposes what they're doing.
I know some people say prices won't drop here until we stop buying everything we see, but I also think that we won't stop buying until we see and accept that there will be a continued supply. A lot just aren't sold on that, yet.
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I totally agree - There. Is. No. Ammo. The manager at one store told me he's barely getting any. How can it be selling more than ever if there isn't any in the stores? Is there a higher bidder skimming it off the top of the wholesale pool? How has it gone on this long with no one figuring out what's really going on? It can't be that hard, it's not top secret stuff. Oh, I know all the gun forum brain trusts say they know why, but do they, really? What is the evidence, other than hearsay and "internet" postings?
Or, as someone on another forum said, if Remington's production went down to 10% of their capacity, why didn't Mr. Vanderbrink mention that? That alone would explain a lot. Foreign imports? Show me. No, I don't see foreign ammo for sale, was its importation stopped? Why? Covid?
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challer61
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Welcome to just in time manufacturing. Americans are addicted to cheap everything and we shop on price generally. As such, supply chains and manufacturing plants have no meaningful excess capacity.
10-4.
I went in to Cabelas today and ASKED them.
"Are you getting your regular shipments of ammunition?"
"No. We are getting some. No variety. Mostly 9mm."
"So if I came in at opening time, I could get some 9?"
"Yes, probably."
The NRA (Keefe) says, "A friend at Hornady recently reached out to me to ask that I spread the word. What's going on with ammunition is nothing sinister, nor a conspiracy. It is simple supply-and-demand. In fact, it's hyper-inflated demand like no one has ever seen."
This simply makes no sense. Cabelas is not selling more than ever; they are hardly selling any. In fact, they moved ammo sales behind a counter with "employees only" sign.
Keefe, again: "I've spoken to the top three manufacturers."
Mr Keefe, get out from behind your desk and go into a Cabelas and ASK. Manufacturers claiming that nothing is going on other than demand absolves them of responsibility of getting up and going to find out what's going on. I am disappointed that Keefe would accept it. Especially when it is so easily checked.
Video from Katy, TX. See at 4:10.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFFfAle_I8k[/ame]
"When will you get some?"
"We have no idea."
Yet the establishment tells us the problem is over buying by consumers.
We are being gaslighted.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFFfAle_I8k[/ame]
"When will you get some?"
"We have no idea."
Yet the establishment tells us the problem is over buying by consumers.
We are being gaslighted.
If I remember right during the last big ammo shortage the government was buying huge amounts of ammo, I guess to make sure they will have plenty and never run out.
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