A PLEA FOR CIVILITY

[bigl1911]

Respectfully said and as a Californian, I am not so sure we are a socialist total anti-gun state notwithstanding definitely have far left progressive politics. I know you guys are going to jump on me, but let me tell you a short story where a stricter gun law worked.

I have an older downs brother. Many years ago he lived in an open managed community. For some reason, one day he decided to walk off property and climb in a window of a neighboring residence thinking in confusion he was entering his home. In one of the other "free" states, there is a better than not chance he would have been shot on the spot based on Castle Doctrine. We don't have a Castle Doctrine - you better think very carefully before pulling a trigger. Not so sure this is a bad thing..

In this state, to make things worse, we have an enormous amount of new gun sales and owners over the last year. Too many just don't know how to handle a gun based on lack of training. The joke of it is most here in this state couldn't hit the target at 10 feet. It is not a good thing giving a fool a gun. On the forum we rarely talk about this issue. Fools with guns..

Actually, I am not from California! Far From It! I was born and raised in Arkansas until my second year in college, graduated from Eastern New Mexico University after my father got transferred to the state of New Mexico, Lived 10 wonderful years in Casper, Wyoming, and another 10years in Texas. I have lived in quite a few states. I have been in California for the last six years after I broke my own oath never to set foot back in this state after being discharged from the Army upon returning from overseas here only to be spat on by a "nice" long blond haired California female in LAX while I was still in uniform! My wife's oldest son just had two fraternal twin girls and I allowed her to convince me move here so she could nanny those girls so I have no one to blame for my fate here but myself. But then facts never get in some peoples' way of prejudice.

I freely admit I am prejudiced against California due to its Socialist anti-gun, policies, actions and the fact that California does not guarantee the Right of Self-Defense to its citizens!

 

[Echo40]

I used to own a Uberti Cattleman (SAA clone) and if I went to Dunham Sports, back when there was ammo, on more than one occasion I had to correct the person they called to meet me at the "bullet" case. EVERY time I was handed a box of .45 Auto. I realized it was a lost cause to retrain said person, so I would get specific and say ".45 Long Colt for revolvers. It may have the words cowboy loads on the box also. If it says Auto, it's not the right box." I never bought a firearm there, retail prices, but they did have very good prices on ammo; and lots of it.
I still have a full box of them, but if I give them away, I'll end up getting a deal on another .45 revolver! The price tag on it says $39.95, I believe.

That's kind of the problem with "official" nomenclature, it doesn't matter what the official name is if it isn't universally adhered to or otherwise is so confusing to the lay person that alternatives are adopted by manufacturers out of necessity in order to facilitate greater sales volume because it's easier for the guy behind the counter to understand.

So speaking of .45 Long Colt, the nomenclature has been adopted by a number of firearms/ammo manufacturers, so you'll often see ".45LC" or ".45 Long Colt" stamped on barrels or printed on boxes of ammunition.
Why? Because unfortunately the average guy who works behind the counter at the local gun shop isn't necessarily knowledgeable when it comes to firearms/ammunition, nor is the buyer, so if one asks for ".45 Colt" then the guy behind the counter might reach for a box of ".45 Automatic Colt Pistol" ammo, ergo ammo manufacturers have adopted ".45 Long Colt" and ".45 Auto" as alternatives which are more easily understood by novices on either side of the counter.

Here's a semi relevant anecdote for you... Not long ago, my brother encountered a problem at Taco Bell in which his favorite item, the "Shredded Chicken Burrito" had been discontinued and he ended up having to find an alternative inexpensive fast food lunch item because he has to eat chicken over beef for health-related reasons. So I told him; "You know that they serve other chicken burritos, right?" To which he responded; "Then why didn't they say so?" The answer is, because unfortunately hourly workers don't care about how many sales they make in a day, so rather than offering alternatives to an item which has been removed from the menu, they just say; "We don't serve that anymore" and send you on your way eventhough they really ought to say; "I'm sorry, we don't serve the Shredded Chicken Burrito, but would you like to try our plain Chicken Burrito?" because it's not like they make commissions on the Burritos they sell.
Humorously, the exact same thing happened to me at the exact same Taco Bell when I misspoke and ordered a "Beef Quesadilla" instead of a "Steak Quesadilla" and the lady at the drivethru window simply said; "We don't serve a Beef Quesadilla." so if I hadn't caught my mistake and specified that I meant a Steak Quesadilla, then she would have let me drive off without ordering anything, all because she was too lazy to offer an alternative and apparently too dense to realize that Steak is a form of Beef.

See what I mean? That's why alternative names like ".45 Long Colt" and ".45 Auto" become adopted, so that ammo sales aren't negatively impacted by the ignorant on either side of the counter who are unaware of the difference between ".45 Colt" and ".45 Automatic Colt Pistol".

 

[Svenjackhammer]

roflmao!!!

 

[Pondoro]

Bravo. Shooters started calling it 45 "Long" Colt when people started mistakenly giving out 45 ACP ammo to 45 Colt gun owners. Likewise they started calling it S&W 32 "Short" when the 32 S&W Long became a possible mistake. Who cares that the ammo was not called that at birth? It just makes sense. Ken Waters used these terms, are the complainers smarter than him?

And I am old enough to remember when gun writers called magazines "clips", in actual printed magazines. No one used to care.

 

[Kurusu]

i hate spelling misteaks.

I like me steaks rare.

 

[sabashimon]

So long as I don't get cancelled I'm happy. Sucks to be cancelled.

In some arena’s I’d consider it a badge of honor.

 

[joeraf]

Finding the peace of caring for others over oneself is a most profound gift.

 

[keith44spl]

I recall stoping at the local hardware store with my Dad...
I was just a kid, a kid that watched and listened to all my elders.

Dad asked the clerk for a couple boxes of 45s. The clerk replied,
"Long Colts or Automatics?"

I've been a fan of the Long Colt cartridge and handloading the same for over half a century.

Back in the day, when I was feeling my oats, when I couldn't find a model 25-5...
I jest built my own.

This revolver now resides with a close personal friend.

The nomenclature has been around for a while.
(Sierra Manual)

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[dave1918a2]

At the NOCO gun show last weekend a gentleman bought a gun from a vendor across from Me. Went to the back room for the BC and came to My table and asked for 45 ammo. Do You want long colt or ACP? Just 45. You need to pick one. It's a 45. What brand of gun did You buy. A 45. Hold on a minute. Walked over to the dealer and asked Him what the dud bought. He said a Springfield 1911. Went back and told the guy He needed 45ACP. He said no, I need 45. Told Him I was sold out

 

[Patrick L]

If I am not mistaken, didn't some famous gun scribe actually prove that . 45 Long Colt was actually not an incorrect label for the cartridge? I think he showed something from an ammo catalog from the 19th century referring to it as that? I'm thinking maybe Venturino??

Problem with aging, chronic CRS!!

 

[Echo40]

If I am not mistaken, didn't some famous gun scribe actually prove that . 45 Long Colt was actually not an incorrect label for the cartridge? I think he showed something from an ammo catalog from the 19th century referring to it as that? I'm thinking maybe Venturino??

Problem with aging, chronic CRS!!

As previously stated, ".45 Long Colt" has been used by ammo manufacturers as an alternative name in order to help differentiate .45 Colt from the shorter .45 S&W (aka .45 Schofield) cartridge, followed by the .45 ACP (.45 Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge for the benefit of the lay person who isn't particularly knowledgeable about the names of cartridges to begin with.

I myself use the term ".45 Long Colt" because it has become common use in colloquial speech, helps to prevent confusion both on forums as well as in gunshops, and frankly if I have to tolerate heavy use regional slang which I must then consult a dictionary in order to understand, then folks can most certainly tolerate my usage of an otherwise easier to understand unofficial term for a cartridge.