Accuracy is coming: Apex M&P Barrels

Shooting from a rest.

Rastoff said:
The M&P does not require an unorthodox hold.

I completely agree. The M&P does not require an upgrade to shoot accurately. I know many who do just fine with the stock gun.

How you shoot a different gun is not definitive. It does let us know that you have at least the ability to shoot well. That doesn't mean you'll shoot well with every gun. I shoot my 1911 better than my M&P. That doesn't mean my M&P isn't accurate. It only means I don't shoot it as well as the 1911. From a rest, both guns are very accurate. The 1911 is better than the M&P, but that has nothing to do with how I shoot it.

The rest helps to eliminate the human factor. Shooting while standing introduces many gross errors. Whether the inaccuracies are you or the gun is unknown if you can't eliminate your influence.

Well, that should tell you something. Why can you shoot his OK, but not yours? At first blush you might think it's your gun. Well, obviously you already think that. It certainly is a possibility. Alas, until you shoot it from a rest, you don't know that's true. A difference in triggers would account for your issues.

What always amazes me in circumstances like this, is how hard people resist shooting from a rest. Why not just do it?
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The true test would be from a ransom rest if we could get S & W M & P grips.
 
Col._Joe said:
I have been lurking on thus site for a while . This thread has my attention.
For full disclosure I have been a beta tester of APEX products for some time. I also want to note I paid for the barrel.
I am the police officer Randy talked about running his barrel on my duty MP9. The accuracy of the pistol is much greater than my ability to shoot. Who wouldn't like to be able to shoot groups that small free standing.
I have had the barrel for a few months. I can say that the pistol has been used in a Frank Proctor class shortly after getting it. I shot about 1600 rounds that weekend. There was no malfunction of any kind. Since I had received it I have over 5000 rounds through it everything from Federal HST to my reloads. There hasn't been a problem with function on anything. Right now I have sent it back to APEX to see what kind of accuracy it gets with that many rounds.
Some people have commented on wether or not it's worth buying. I think it is. Is it cheap nope. However the accuracy I have is confidence building. I know if I missed it is my fault. Is it for everyone? I guess each person has to decide if it worth it. I am at a point where I want accurate AND reliable pistol.
I am lucky to have a progressive policy at work so I carry it on duty but that is a topic for another thread..
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A well balanced reply for new barrels.
 
I put my JPoint on my 4.25" 9mm core. I have the SDI barrel that I fitted from Apex and I have the flat faced trigger with the comp. spring kit. Sand bagged it at 15 yards and shot 3 five shot groups. 1) Just over 1" group. 2) 1.25" group 3) .75" group. Way above and beyond what I excepted. It was money well spent as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Bulldog,

I have a Czechmate, which is built on the Tactical Sport frame. My experience with CZ 75 / Tactical Sport / SP 01 all have been highly accurate platforms from personal experience.

The CZ's are highly accurate handguns out of the box, no tinkering, no additional money spent on triggers, barrels. etc.

The only thing I did out of personal preference was install an oversize safety release.
 
I had one of those scatter-shot M&P9 FS. Just traded it in on a new M&P 45 mid size which is much more accurate. A CZ75 B I bought new recently is unmodified and easily does 1 1/2" groups rested at 25 yards. CZ ergs are really good but the barrels have very short throating.
 
The weather finally broke got out to shoot the new apex gunsmith fit barrel after work today. The only thing I can say is WOW!!!

25 yards 15 rounds, first one to the left so I adjust the red dot, second one to the right (went to far on adjusting the red dot) made a little adjustment, then it was on. In that center are the rest of the 13 rounds.

Thanks Randy for a product well made and designed!!! Very pleased with the results!!!
 

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Hey guys. I've been looking at this barrel for a couple of months now and want to buy one. During my research, I came across this post on another forum. Towards the end of the topic, the OP states that Apex is aware of the problem and is working on it. However, there's been no update since. I reached out to Randy here on April 8th, asking him about this issue and he has not responded to me despite logging onto the forum on the 10th. Does anyone know what this issue was and if it's been fully resolved?

https://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=5&f=16&t=165047
 
I haven't herd of any issues
Shot for the first time last night 150 rounds of American eagle 147g. No issues just out standing results. Cleaned and inspected it, everything looked good. Barrel still locks into battery when just installing it in the slide and still has the 2lb forward presure to set the slide forward to full locked battery.
 
Just spin tested my hand loads with an OAL of 1.15" with everglades 124gr. plated RN and they did not contact the rifling. have about 200 rounds through my 4.25" and have had no feed problems. I did however as soon as I got it fitted, polished the feed ramp. My barrel will stop short of lock up if I let the slide down slowly. Just a slight push and it goes in to battery. If I let the slide go home from about half to a third of the way back it goes in to battery with no assist. With my one frame as stated, it needs a slight push. With slide attached to my other frame it goes in to battery with no assist. With the grips being a polymer, I assume there just can't be the same repeatability as in a metal frame to frame swap.
 
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Heyman said:
Hey guys. I've been looking at this barrel for a couple of months now and want to buy one. During my research, I came across this post on another forum. Towards the end of the topic, the OP states that Apex is aware of the problem and is working on it. However, there's been no update since. I reached out to Randy here on April 8th, asking him about this issue and he has not responded to me despite logging onto the forum on the 10th. Does anyone know what this issue was and if it's been fully resolved?

https://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=5&f=16&t=165047
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Some early chambers were a little short apparently. This was fixed. I think they might have changed the ramp slightly as well. There definitely was a new relief cut made to ensure proper clearance for ejecting spent brass.
 
None. However, there are decent videos on youtube from Apex.

Basically, try to insert the barrel into the slide. If the muzzle end binds up, you take some off 12 o'clock. Then you fit the barrel hood extension (width and length). Then try to put the slide on... if it doesn't go, you fit the "pad" on the rear lug. Search youtube.
 
TacticalReload said:
None. However, there are decent videos on youtube from Apex.

Basically, try to insert the barrel into the slide. If the muzzle end binds up, you take some off 12 o'clock. Then you fit the barrel hood extension (width and length). Then try to put the slide on... if it doesn't go, you fit the "pad" on the rear lug. Search youtube.
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If the muzzle end binds up, you need to take some off at the 1 o'clock and 11 o'clock positions. Not the 12.
 
Heyman said:
If the muzzle end binds up, you need to take some off at the 1 o'clock and 11 o'clock positions. Not the 12.
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I read somewhere that there was a change made and that it should be taken off the 12 o'clock position. I asked Randy about this conflicting info. He told me the following: "You might need to remove material off of the the bell of the muzzle end around the 12:00 position if the barrel will not enter the slide."

YMMV... I suggest that people contact Apex directly if their barrel doesn't fit into the slide BEFORE filing away from 12 or 11 or 10 or 1 or 2 or whatever o'clock.

As a side note, I had to do some fitting in areas besides what was mentioned in the video because I was getting barrel springing. It appears that there is a very wide variety of tolerances with these guns; and depending on the way they stack, you might run into all kinds of issues. If you're not comfortable, it's always safest to have a 'smith do the work for you (assuming THEY know what they are doing!!).
 
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