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I have been having trouble zeroing my 15-22 at 25 yds with standard vel cci. I found out today an interesting find. I was using a Caldwell led sled, just because I could use it to zero. After I tried to shoot the gun with out the sled, it was around 3 inches low, and the left to right was dead on. I re-zeroed with out the use of a sled. It appears to be dead on. In the past I have had a bi pod on the front of the forearm, I am believing that this was causing the inaccuracy. I am wondering if I take the cap at the end of the stock forearm will this solve my problem?
Anyone else has had this happen to them?
 
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Bi-pods are NOT the best way to achieve accuracy, especially if the bi-pod is mounted to the barrel. If you can free float the barrel thru the forearm and then mount the bi-pod to the forearm it will minimize the affect of the bi-pod. ..........
 
When you shoot low, are your group sizes still the same?
 
emsemt911 said:
I was using a Caldwell led sled, just because I could use it to zero. After I tried to shoot the gun with out the sled, it was around 3 inches low, and the left to right was dead on. I re-zeroed with out the use of a sled. It appears to be dead on.
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This is one of the main reasons I dislike Lead Sleds. You cannot expect a rifle locked down in a vice to recoil the same way it will if it's hand held. Your zero's will not be the same, period.

The Lead Sled came on the market originally to mitigate recoil in heavy recoiling rifles when doing load work and initial zeroing. It's even a poor helper for that because your groups will be of different size.

Buy or make some sandbags. Not only are they cheaper, but the zero you achieve will be much closer, if not identical, to hand held.
 
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You could always just get a laser boresight. If you do, get one that enters the chamber and not the muzzle.
 
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The lead sled is not the issue, I was just using the sled to rest the gun. There was nothing securing the rifle to the sled. The bipod is on the pictany hand rail that came stock on the s&w
ar-22. The grouping size stays the same, the problem is if I put a bipod or any pressure on the forearm. There appears to be a shift in POI.

I love led sleds, have worked for me many of years in sighting in firearms.
 
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In my experience: Any pressure on a rifle can influence where the bullet strikes. That is why when seriously competing I have little reminders on the stock where my cheek meets the stock, where my left hand holds the stock and mental checks as to how tight I pull the rifle into my shoulder. Same with the grip of my right hand. It all counts!!
 
You may also want to check that your barrel nut is tightened. Mine was having accuracy issues, the odd flyer (not the Philadelphia kind) then i bought a barrel nut tool and gave it a tighten (it did not need much) and mine is as accurate as i am :D

It is advised not to straddle any optic between the handguard and the upper, rather just mount on the upper. You can remove the endcap, it is just cosmetic and to stop mud and stuff when crawling thorough the jungles of South east asia...oh and.....
All together now...it's not an AR-22. haha ;)
 
I tried with the cap removed, tried the barrel nut tightened.
Had a S&W recommended gun smith look at it, they could not fix the problem. S&W wanted the gun sent to them
 
The barrel free floats from the barrel nut.
Any pressure can make the polymer hand guard flex, throwing your POA, POI off.
Did you use a real barrel nut wrench and clamp the barrel in a vise with the correct blocks?
 
accuracy on a M&P15-22

I have fooled around with this gun and have found the three things that greatly effect accuracy...1- remove the hand guard that come s with the gun the plastic end piece affects the barrel and moves it 2- put in a 3ib. triggergroup ( CNC or tifney )and 3- put a Bug Buster scope (8 in. )on it has an AO of( 3-infinity) yds focus. .. your groups will be very tight from 10 to 25 yds above that and everybody has groups that widen at 50 yds.You can take what I said to the bank!:rolleyes:
 
OK... What should I expect for a 25 yard group size from a properly assembled stock rifle with a decent after market sight of my choice? If I want to put every shot thru one hole I don't think i would select this platform for that outcome. Enlighten me!
 
The rifle does its part, it all depends if i do my part.
10 shots offhand 25yrd (1inch guitar pick for scale)
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10 Shots resting on a magazine on the bench. 25yrd
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Ghostmutt:
Is this the rifle with the $1,000.00 scope on it?
My budget will not allow that level of purchase and I don't have anything else to use it on so I could rationalize sharing...
But at least now I know what to expect for performance.
How does it do at 100 yards?
 
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Ghostmutt:
Is this the rifle with the $1,000.00 scope on it?
My budget will not allow that level of purchase and I don't have anything else to use it on so I could rationalize sharing...
But at least now I know what to expect for performance.
How does it do at 100 yards?
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No brother, my scope is not $1000 dollars...i only wish ;)
My scope cost (post Brexit) $330. Which was the top of my budget. It is an air rifle/rimfire scope...with a very close eye relief but this allows you to repeat the cheek weld..which factors into shot accuracy...(It actually states in the instructions 'if you plan to use it on a centrefire then book a taxi to the hospital as the scope will give you a nasty kiss'). I found changing my grip to a hogue, applying an AFG and Gas Pedal to the handguard and of course swapping the trigger, to be the biggest factors in improving accuracy...it made it all very easy to make sure i have a repeatable grip, the same place on the handguard and the 2lb trigger, means i feel more in control of my shots.

Weather depending at 100 yards i can hit a tin can 8/10 times. The accuracy does open up at that distance, but not drastically. That is the 22 round and not the rifle. My dad and I practised rapid fire at balloons at 100 yards and the 15 22 performed fantastically. Scoring a perfect 20/20.

At 25 yards which is what i shoot my 15-22 at, it is very accurate! :D
 
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