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hobby-gunsmith
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I applaud the chief for not returning to his car and storing the gun. Obviously, the loss prevention officer was not at all familiar with the rules of the store. I have visited the Tampa store once and have not observed the no guns allowed in store sign. Again, descret is the key for concealed carry. I would think a uniform law enforcement officer in uniform would be an asset for the store to reduce the merchandise theft. Glad the store paid him an apology.
Nick
I applaud the chief for not returning to his car and storing the gun. Obviously, the loss prevention officer was not at all familiar with the rules of the store. I have visited the Tampa store once and have not observed the no guns allowed in store sign. Again, descret is the key for concealed carry. I would think a uniform law enforcement officer in uniform would be an asset for the store to reduce the merchandise theft. Glad the store paid him an apology.
Nick
Those OCer's, ruining it for everybody. 
IKEA has been that way for years. This is nothing new.
But, the POLICE?????
I really love properly trained "loss prevention officers"................weren't they formerly called "floor walkers"???
But, the POLICE?????
I really love properly trained "loss prevention officers"................weren't they formerly called "floor walkers"???
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Hodgin
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Not sure whether it was policy or a manager that didn't understand the policy, but IKEA has clarified it's position on law enforcement carrying guns in its stores. LEO's are ok but not for others.
Police Chief in Uniform Told to Leave Gun Outside Ikea | NBC4 Washington
Police Chief in Uniform Told to Leave Gun Outside Ikea | NBC4 Washington
AirForceShooter
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Cop was off duty.
Why should he have a privilege I can't?
IKEA is private property and entitled to not allow guns.
Off duty cop is called a civilian
AFS
Why should he have a privilege I can't?
IKEA is private property and entitled to not allow guns.
Off duty cop is called a civilian
AFS
I guess that would fall under the Equal Protection clause, but the Constitution is hardly in vogue anymore.
Give the Chief a break - He worked all day, was going back to work for the evening shift (July 4th holiday time period), worked a ton of hours. Even though he wasn't "on duty" if a situation occurred and the Chief had to take action he would have been "on duty".
And to why should he have a privilege you can't - because you are not a cop. Besides the Chief did not see it as a privilege.
Pretty neat being a super citizen. What other privileges do you think these super citizens should have?
Mcwsky09
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If an officer is wearing a police uniform how can you tell whether of not be is on duty?
Now a detective or a police officer who is not wearing blues is a different story and then it is a question of whether or not you know he is an LEO or not.
Now a detective or a police officer who is not wearing blues is a different story and then it is a question of whether or not you know he is an LEO or not.
Are you thinking of driving to the mall or the ballpark while off-duty and not on official business (responding to an emergency) WELL IN EXCESS of the legal speed limit - or something like that?
I guess there are limits to my sense of egalitarianism. I don't mind the Chief being allowed in a no-weapons store if the owner thinks it's OK. In uniform he really is at greater risk than most of us if he is disarmed for some silly reason.
I have been a member of this forum for several years. One of the things I really like about it is that it is made up of polite adults who share common interests. It is not like many fora that seem to exist to give anonymous posters an opportunity to demean others, push their agendas and argue with other people.
I have been reading your posts for the past several days and I just had to comment that you seem to be trying to pick a fight at every turn.
While I respect your and everyone else's opinions, I do not agree with your "trolling" for a fight just to raise people's blood pressure.
I am now off my high horse and I meant no disrespect by my post as this is just my opinion. And I will NOT comment further or respond to any more of your posts.
I'm asking serious questions. And raising serious arguments. Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean it's trolling. You're welcome to hit the report button. Just because you'll no longer hear me sure doesn't mean I won't be out there saying things you don't like.
Instead of your trotting on your high horse, you could have answered the question posed. Pretty clear I'm not wrong with the content. Just the nerve to ask it.
I'd also like to see your posts in defense of the TX OCers being called every name in the book. Since you're such a fan of politeness around here.
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There is a segment of the firearms community that thinks the cops are the enemy. I don't get why, but that's how it is. Whatever.
As for Ikea, their employee made an error, and it was corrected. End of story.
As for Ikea, their employee made an error, and it was corrected. End of story.
redneckemt
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Federal Law says a Cop or Retired Cop can carry anywhere anytime with very few limitations. Off duty Cop is still a Cop. 24-7 365
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HayesGreener
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Respectfully sir, you are incorrect in your statement. State statutes vary but in virtually every state in the U.S. a sworn officer is empowered to go armed and to take police action 24/7 under certain circumstances. It is left to agency policy to prescribe when the officer may, or must carry a badge, ID, and firearm and when he is expected to take action while "off duty". A police officer is never fully "off duty". Some agencies require the officer carry badge ,ID, and sidearm 24/7 when outside their domicile. Most if not all agency policies require the officer at least to be armed when in uniform or when in a police vehicle; it would be irresponsible to allow officers to go around in a police uniform without being armed. I am certain the chief was within department policy when he entered the store, which is really a moot point in this unique situation since as the CEO of the agency, he can change the policy any time he wants anyway. The action of the employee who told him he couldn't come into the store armed while in uniform was just plain stupid and unreasonable, and I have to believe motivated by an anti-police agenda. Or maybe just REALLY stupid.
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911 what is your emergency?
This is the Ikea store we have a man with a gun who has taken hostages in the store.
Officers are on the way.
Tell them we are a weapon free area they have to leave their guns in their cars before entering the store!
Dispatch to all units responding to the man with a gun at the Ikea, Disregard.
Okay, that would never happen.
Back to the real world. The officer in question was not just a cop, he is the COP, Chief of Police. The Chief is never off duty.
This is the Ikea store we have a man with a gun who has taken hostages in the store.
Officers are on the way.
Tell them we are a weapon free area they have to leave their guns in their cars before entering the store!
Dispatch to all units responding to the man with a gun at the Ikea, Disregard.
Okay, that would never happen.
Back to the real world. The officer in question was not just a cop, he is the COP, Chief of Police. The Chief is never off duty.
Mcwsky09
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Playing devil's advocate can be tricky as folks might get the idea that the position you are arguing is in fact your own belief. And without a wonky face sarcasm can be difficult to read in text with no voice or inflection to go along with it.
Also a serious question that might take a number of words to express can come of as quite snarky if oversimplified.
I have no idea what you just said????
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