AFTER 4 YEARS TOTIN' IT - I THINK I'VE FOUND EDC PERFECTION

[.455_Hunter]

A j frame is a little easier to pocket carry for me in some pants, but double capacity of the P365 makes it hard for me to leave home.

The difference in capacity is the least of the concerns.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I bought a XL model a couple of months ago. It fits perfect and groups fantastic. I think it's a soft recoil and I have arthritis in both wrists and thumbs.

But I'm nervous sticking striker fired weapons in holsters. Don't like that part. I'm a five decade revolver guy and don't feel outgunned with my 442. J frames are my happy place.

 

[John Patrick]

I the tried the smaller 9mm Glocks and 365 there is not enough weight or size to dampen the recoil for repeat shots. The G26 is Queen in this department and shoots like a G19 or G17 with reliability accuracy and control of full-sized 9mm.

Adding to my previous post…

This is where gun fit is important. The “hump” on the rear of the G26 is in the wrong place for me. Back when a G26 really was a subcompact I really, really wanted to like one, but couldn’t. The Springfield XD9 “subcompact “ fit my hand much better, despite how much I would have preferred the G26.

I have the same issue with the G19, but to a lesser extent.

The 43X and 48 for fine, I own a G45, and it’s great.

 

[Bald1]

Bought a 365 this summer when I could no longer see sights so good on my J frames. I tried hard to NOT jump on the Sig bandwagon. My son has several Sigs and raves about them. I compared it side by side with the Kahr and Hellcat. Which are both very nice guns. I bought the Sig and I’m glad I did. It’s almost boring it’s so accurate and easy to shoot. 24”x12” steel silhouettes at 50yds are easy. That’s impressive for a micro 9

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

I did that. Then I handed it back to him to put back in the case, and bought the 365.


He smiled at me and said "that's pretty much how it usually goes".

BUT........You can't get the 365 in 40 & 45.......I carry my 45 more than the smaller calibers

 

[Bill Lear]

For 40+ years I carried a M36, M60 and M60-7 for EDC. They were reliable, well made and small enough that I always had it with me. With Buffalo Bore 158 grain "Heavy" LSWCHP-GC ammo I felt like I had a great combo of concealment, size, weight, and knock-down power - but was not happy about the 5 round capacity!

Along came the Sig P365 and at that point I had no plastic guns. I had heard about the P365's issues when first released however the Company wisely and rapidly jumped on that and the issues went away. That's when I bought one.

I have never looked back!! At 17.8 ounces empty, 23.5 ounces with 11 rounds, the pistol is thin, flat, small, very reliable, low recoiling, has incredible night sights, has a terrifically smooth and short trigger pull (for a striker fired gun and much better than Glock) and is accurate beyond any reasonable needs for self defense. At 50 feet I can easily keep the 11 round group in a 2"- 2.5" circle in the bullseye - not vey difficult to do with that pistol.

I like the ergonomics, I like the quality of the build, I like pretty much every aspect of this Micro 9 and along with the Federal HST 124 grain 9mm ammo, I feel I've never had a better carry piece!

This is the very first and only "plastic framed pistol" I have ever owned and just can't say enough about it. There are many other great and similar pistols in the Micro Pistol arena now out there. You have the S&W, Ruger, Springfield, etc. etc. and I have looked at them in shops and at the Range, but the Sig still remains "numero uno" to me. As the expression goes...... "it's everything you want with nothing you don't. I am actually at somewhat of a loss as I can't even thing of anything that they might consider improving! For me, that's rare!!

This pistol accompanies me daily either in my Kramer Horsehide OWB leather rig or in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster. What a package!!! I only pray I never need to use it!

I agree with every word you wrote! But....(and here it comes)
After 50 years of carrying "one of everything" and having gone through the phase of "carrying heavy" as in duty size with enough spares to put down a Venezuelan revolt, I've come full circle and now find that any of the small-framed, 2" barreled, 5-shot, uber-lightweight revolvers - generally in .38 Special, though they come in .357 for those who's "los huevos todavía están orgulloso!"
For those who are long-time, accomplished gun-handlers, carrying an auto is a valid option because they have the background and understand its pluses and minuses. Even so, we who have an extensive gun-handling background should pause to take stock of the reality that the most likely use of a self-defense gun will a in close, a few shots, situation handled. Granted, some will find themselves standing on aisle 11 when they hear the staccato burst of a spree killer headed their way, and a puny J-frame seems mighty small at that moment! Much better to reach into your "man-purse" (off body carry), or cool-looking backpack, and extract a FiveSeven with 21 up and another 200 in spares in the pack which is fitted with a TL4 ballistic plate and prepare to say, "SURPRISE!" when the nut gets to the condiments section!
But let's be a little real...odds are very, VERY few will ever use their concealed handgun and remember, the advice given on forums such as this one do have influence, and there's a whole new generation of young people who aren't "gun people" and have no desire to be....they just want to buy ONE gun "to rule them all" so to speak and we should never confuse their lack of experience with our own considerable experience.

THIS has brought me full circle to the revolver. Over the last few decades small revos have improved and gotten ever lighter. I have a 12.5 ounce 642 (fitted with titanium cylinder) that literally carries light "air" in a coat, or pants pocket. I also have a M360 - also fitted with Titanium cylinder to bring it down to 12.5 oz but stoked with miniature theatre-level, tactical nuclear .357 magnum cartridges!

For 90% of the "next gen" who choose to carry it comes down to this: Semiautomatic handgun - dedicated to learning its manual of arms, malfunction drills, ammo selection, loading, unloading (safely), clearing, KNOWING it's cleared, and finally, tactical implementation - carry chambered or not, holster or not? What kind of holster!

Revolver: <the sound of crickets chirping> A Model 642 fits in a pocket or a holster, it needs and has no "malfunction drill." You can SEE it's loaded - or not. It has exactly ONE method of operation with zero external safeties other than a trigger that demands to be "cammed over center" (best description I can think of) to fire, yet if at any point in the stroke the trigger is released the gun returns to fully SAFE! The tiny revo can be fired from INSIDE a coat - comes in mighty handy when being accosted at the gas-station at 1am - it will NOT malfunction! The revo can be fired in hard contact without any potential for the firing mechanism being disabled. The revo can be used as a striking weapon with an added twist on contact! The revo can even be fired when in a grapple with the bad guy's hand trying to control the weapon, but when you manage to torque it his way and YANK that trigger, it's GAME OVER for him! And the revo is still fully functional, not jammed up in any way.
The ONLY downside to the pocket revo is capacity and one can easily carry TWO if needed!

These days I use layers of defense. I carry pocket size guns in my pockets - literally. I carry larger, much higher capacity autos in off-body solutions - mostly, and when I feel it's needed, I carry compact rifles in backpacks and trunks, but I am NOT reflective of MOST of the "nextgen" out there...they want that ONE GUN...but of course they lack the experience to grasp there is no such thing.

For those still in the phase of life where they feel obligated to carry heavy on their person - KUDOS and I hope you're nearby when the spree shooter starts nearby, but "you" are not most people....they're more dangerous to themselves carrying around semiautomatic pistols, and would be far better served by revolvers.

 

[Krogen]

Along came the Sig P365 and at that point I had no plastic guns. I had heard about the P365's issues when first released however the Company wisely and rapidly jumped on that and the issues went away. That's when I bought one.

This forum is rife with enablers. Yep, enablers!

I've been following this thread and because of it, I just bought a P365. It's on its way from Sig as we speak. I used my NRA instructor discount which netted a nice savings. I'll report back when I get a few rounds down the barrel.

 

[John Patrick]

I agree with every word you wrote! But....(and here it comes)
After 50 years of carrying "one of everything" and having gone through the phase of "carrying heavy" as in duty size with enough spares to put down a Venezuelan revolt, I've come full circle and now find that any of the small-framed, 2" barreled, 5-shot, uber-lightweight revolvers - generally in .38 Special, though they come in .357 for those who's "los huevos todavía están orgulloso!"
For those who are long-time, accomplished gun-handlers, carrying an auto is a valid option because they have the background and understand its pluses and minuses. Even so, we who have an extensive gun-handling background should pause to take stock of the reality that the most likely use of a self-defense gun will a in close, a few shots, situation handled. Granted, some will find themselves standing on aisle 11 when they hear the staccato burst of a spree killer headed their way, and a puny J-frame seems mighty small at that moment! Much better to reach into your "man-purse" (off body carry), or cool-looking backpack, and extract a FiveSeven with 21 up and another 200 in spares in the pack which is fitted with a TL4 ballistic plate and prepare to say, "SURPRISE!" when the nut gets to the condiments section!
But let's be a little real...odds are very, VERY few will ever use their concealed handgun and remember, the advice given on forums such as this one do have influence, and there's a whole new generation of young people who aren't "gun people" and have no desire to be....they just want to buy ONE gun "to rule them all" so to speak and we should never confuse their lack of experience with our own considerable experience.

THIS has brought me full circle to the revolver. Over the last few decades small revos have improved and gotten ever lighter. I have a 12.5 ounce 642 (fitted with titanium cylinder) that literally carries light "air" in a coat, or pants pocket. I also have a M360 - also fitted with Titanium cylinder to bring it down to 12.5 oz but stoked with miniature theatre-level, tactical nuclear .357 magnum cartridges!

For 90% of the "next gen" who choose to carry it comes down to this: Semiautomatic handgun - dedicated to learning its manual of arms, malfunction drills, ammo selection, loading, unloading (safely), clearing, KNOWING it's cleared, and finally, tactical implementation - carry chambered or not, holster or not? What kind of holster!

Revolver: <the sound of crickets chirping> A Model 642 fits in a pocket or a holster, it needs and has no "malfunction drill." You can SEE it's loaded - or not. It has exactly ONE method of operation with zero external safeties other than a trigger that demands to be "cammed over center" (best description I can think of) to fire, yet if at any point in the stroke the trigger is released the gun returns to fully SAFE! The tiny revo can be fired from INSIDE a coat - comes in mighty handy when being accosted at the gas-station at 1am - it will NOT malfunction! The revo can be fired in hard contact without any potential for the firing mechanism being disabled. The revo can be used as a striking weapon with an added twist on contact! The revo can even be fired when in a grapple with the bad guy's hand trying to control the weapon, but when you manage to torque it his way and YANK that trigger, it's GAME OVER for him! And the revo is still fully functional, not jammed up in any way.
The ONLY downside to the pocket revo is capacity and one can easily carry TWO if needed!

These days I use layers of defense. I carry pocket size guns in my pockets - literally. I carry larger, much higher capacity autos in off-body solutions - mostly, and when I feel it's needed, I carry compact rifles in backpacks and trunks, but I am NOT reflective of MOST of the "nextgen" out there...they want that ONE GUN...but of course they lack the experience to grasp there is no such thing.

For those still in the phase of life where they feel obligated to carry heavy on their person - KUDOS and I hope you're nearby when the spree shooter starts nearby, but "you" are not most people....they're more dangerous to themselves carrying around semiautomatic pistols, and would be far better served by revolvers.

I’m thinking Chief knows his way around light weight J frames and the P365.

The P365 is smaller than a 1 7/8” J frame, and at 17oz is hardly “carrying heavy.” Heck, like my 638, I forget it’s there.

 

[BabaBlueJay]

This forum is rife with enablers. Yep, enablers!

I've been following this thread and because of it, I just bought a P365. It's on its way from Sig as we speak. I used my NRA instructor discount which netted a nice savings. I'll report back when I get a few rounds down the barrel.

I am having the same problem I even thought of trading my pre-lock 686 which is blasphemy for me. Of course I won't do that. Even so no denying the allure of the p365

 

[CorvZ061]

I had an original P365 when they first came out. I shot it well, carried it IWB everyday. Mine was one that got sent back for firing pin drag after it punctured a primer. Sig did the recall and sent it back. No idea why, probably psychological, I never shot it as well after that. Sold it to a coworker that was ecstatic about it. He still has it and carries it daily.

After a few carry guns (g26, g29, 642, 360) I wound up back with a p365. It shot as well as I remember the first one before getting sent back, and I was happy with it. Sold it 6 months ago, for reasons I don’t know, and ultimately replaced it with a Hellcat Pro. 15+1 in a slightly bigger package. Currently have 300 rounds through it, I won’t carry it until I have 500 without malfunction. But so far I like it everybit as much as the Sig.

 

[otis24]

I owned a 365 and a 365xl. Have done a lot of buying, selling, trading looking for the perfect EDC. Currently, a CZ 75D PCR fills the bill. I do see a Sig P365X back in the stable sometime next year.

 

[otis24]

The Sig P365X has replaced all others as my EDC

I wish that the 365X was offered with the curved trigger that comes with the P365.

 

[Rodan]

I wish that the 365X was offered with the curved trigger that comes with the P365.

FYI, factory curved triggers are all over eBay... and it's an easy swap.

 

[chief38]

FYI, factory curved triggers are all over eBay... and it's an easy swap.

Yes, parts for the P365 are all over and very easy to get. I just bought a bunch myself as I always like to have spare ones that do wear, on hand for easy replacement. ie: recoil spring, striker assy. etc.

 

[chief38]

I carry a P365 some days . I don't enjoy shooting it though . It's a snappy little cuss .

Hmmm, one of the reasons I liked the P365 so much is that the recoil is way less than my Chief's Special M60-7 was with Buffalo Bore 158 grain +P's which was my standard carry load. The ballistics of the Federal 9mm HST 124 grain bullets are a smidge better than the Buffalo Bore +P .38 special out of the 2" barrel M60-7. To me the recoil of the P365 is much more comfortable than that of the M60 mostly due to my middle finger getting struck by the back of the trigger guard.

The 11 vs 5 shot capacity is the icing......

 

[BC38]

I carry a P365 some days . I don't enjoy shooting it though . It's a snappy little cuss .

Hmmm, one of the reasons I liked the P365 so much is that the recoil is way less than my Chief's Special M60-7 was with Buffalo Bore 158 grain +P's which was my standard carry load. The ballistics of the Federal 9mm HST 124 grain bullets are a smidge better than the Buffalo Bore +P .38 special out of the 2" barrel M60-7. To me the recoil of the P365 is much more comfortable than that of the M60 mostly due to my middle finger getting struck by the back of the trigger guard......

I couldn't agree more.
As for the p365 being "snappy", it is softer shooting than just about any other sub-compact, or compact 9 I've ever shot. The only one I've ever shot that has less recoil is the Star Firestar M43. And that's just because it is all steel, and consequently its weight is more than twice that of the P365.
Just my $0.02

 

[3S16]

Well, I tend to agree with "Mike SG Hunter" about tail pipes. I have Sigs, Glocks, and S&W's. Over the years I've carried them all. Most were OK, but they all left me feeling like there is something better, at least for me anyway.
Two years ago, my son turned me onto the Springfield Armory Hellcat. Thirteen + 1 rounds of Federal 124 grain HST"s, with a 15 round spare.
I like Apex triggers, so I added one. I also added a Hex Red Dot for my 73 year old eyes. I shoot it quite well.
My personal search for the perfect EDC is over.

 

[bushmaster1313]

We just got concealed carry in New Jersey thanks to Justice Thomas and a brilliant case backed by the NRA. I was ready with my P365 SAS as soon as my permit to carry came through.

Made one upgrade.

Purchased a second P365 SAS slide so I could replace the rear sight with an optic baseplate and added a Holosun 507K.

Range report to follow.

 

[DeplorabusUnum]

My P365 is the original configuration as I wanted the most compact and lightest package available. 11 rounds is enough for me. IMHO when you start extending the grip frame, slide, adding things to the slide - you take away from why I actually purchased it in the first place. Not down on anyone who gets a larger or higher capacity model, but the original design is my preference.

Just picked up mine a couple of weeks ago. Rush job to beat measure 114. Just got the bare bones model. Don't plan to put a red dot on it.

Shot it at the range a few days ago. Shoots consistently 2 inches low and left with Federal and Winchester 124 gr FMJ ammo. Gonna drift the rear sight a bit and re-check, but so far I love the feel of the pistol in my hand. Love the night sights. Love the trigger. Holster and spare mag holder on the way. I think this will be my favorite Christmas present from myself this year.

 

[Rob613]

Finally, I found a combination of the 365 I enjoy and can actually shoot well.

The Wilson Combat grip frame gave me a wider grip, and the tungsten weight kit got it to a weight I like. There are no plans for a red dot, and I prefer the curved trigger.