All These SHTF/Survival Scenarios Lately.

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I get a kick out of reading them...and I often learn something from each of them. To me, that is the whole point.
It is always good to "scenario-ize" what we would take and what we would all do in a worst case scenario.
But everyone seems to leave out Mr. Murphies Laww and his hand in whatever we would try to do. Not to mention the fact that every situation will be different from hour to hour.
The reason I bring this up was some shows I had watched involving doomsday scenarios. I found most of this stuff to be laughable science fiction, but it did raise points about people and their natural instincts and was pretty accurate on what people would do and act in an apocalyptic event.
1. If you haven't stocked up before hand on supplies and ammo, you probably have the same chance as a snowball in a very hot place. Supplies run out and resupply will probably be non-existant. Your neighbors and family just may be your worst enemy and go after your stash. Besides, such a large supply cache will not be easily transported, if at all.
2. The further you live out in the wilderness might mean you live longer, but not much. Again, human nature and roving bands of outlaws not too unlike the bandits of the old west can be expected. If it is a trained enemy force, then like I told the survivalist many years ago who was going to snipe off Russians with his rifle, the opfor will merely call in arty or mortars and eliminate you and your rifle and your team and will never even see your face doing so. Fighting off such bands at a retreat...even if you have a large "group" with you, is only short term. You WILL be overrun eventually.
3. Fleeing the cities. I got two words for you: KATRINA and RITA! You going to load up your truck and head for the hills? Well, so is everyone else. A small town over 164 miles northwest of Houston in rural central Texas had traffic congestion that was history making to them. So you stay put. In a worst case scenario, you will be doing the same thing Berliners did during the last days of WWII under the advance of the Russian Army...only you will be doing that with hordes of people. Good luck with that.

I could go on, but I'll end this here. I'm not out to tick anyone off or alienate anyones beliefs. I am just pointing out logic and something to take into account. The only place anyone could truly ride out a SHTF scenario is on Moonbase Alpha...and it doesn't exist. It's a roll of the dice. To me, it is like the Battle Of The Alamo: you keep your faith and keep up the fight until the end.
 
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If anything like a SHTF scenario happens I will be doing something. It might turn out to be the wrong thing, but I will be doing something.

Wingmaster
 
I put all my trust in FEMA and the NSA,
or is that NASA?
or some other govt agency.

No concern whatsoever! :D


:eek: OOPs wrong forum, I thought I was responding to the Smith's Gardening Forum :confused:
 
I have no delusions of fending off the roving bands of outlaws forever but I do expect I will be taking one or two with me before I go.
 
If the Taliban navy reaches our shores, I'm ready.

One rumor is the Taliban is already here they crossed our borders along with donkeys packing ak 47's with ammo and supplies. We could be in trouble. There in sleeper cells around our nation. It was on the news a few times.

It could get nasty for a while if the SHTF here. Just remember s&w is your best friend. Can goods can feed you. Gallons of water will be needed. Flour can make bread with yeast. You can cook on a Woodstove. A pound of spaghetti and a jar of tomato sauce can feed many. Get into survival mode.
 
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If it is a trained enemy force, then like I told the survivalist many years ago who was going to snipe off Russians with his rifle, the opfor will merely call in arty or mortars and eliminate you and your rifle and your team and will never even see your face doing so. Fighting off such bands at a retreat...even if you have a large "group" with you, is only short term. You WILL be overrun eventually.

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.

/Some Old English Guy
 
I have no delusions of fending off the roving bands of outlaws forever but I do expect I will be taking one or two with me before I go.

Trust me my s&w brother if we're backed in a corner "we" will take many bad guys with us. We're all out of bubble gum. I'd put my life on the line for my family & country if need be. I hope the day never comes.

Remember that SPAM when it's stored correctly has no experation date . I figure a cool dry place will keep it forever. With slab bacon just wash off the mould and cook it. Pepperoni too. The can bread is a very strong tasting brown bread but in survival mode you will eat it and like it.

That little 22 caliber can put meat on the table.
 
If shtf, many will die very quickly. Many of them will be prepared, unprepared, gun owners and not. So, just because you're prepared and know the conspiracies and have a bunker full of guns, bullets, food, and water... It doesn't mean you'll actually see the day that you have to survive

I personally want to be the first zombie or the one who catches the nuke. Is death really that bad? I read my bible. I watched the walking dead. I think surviving the apocalypse is much worse than dying.

the original point and click interface, by Smith and Wesson
 
But it's always a fun conversation that works the critical thinking and problem solving portion of the brain, so I read up on the survival threads and try to participate

the original point and click interface, by Smith and Wesson
 
To me its just interesting to think about. I have no fear of it. I pretty much have lived the best part of my life. It aint like I got 50 years ahead of me.
I call myself a christian and christians shouldnt live in fear. For me its strictly entertainment. Yes, I believe it will happen someday. There is a verse in the bible that men will ask God for a mountain to fall on them that things will be so terrible.
About a year ago a man was finally caught here in utah. The press called him a "mountain man". That is a misnamer. He burglared cabins that were closed up for the winter and ate their supplys and move on to the next cabin. Summers he hid and dry camped under green tarps etc. He did elude law enforcement for about 7 years. He hit countless cabins in the high country around us. I knew at least one friend who`s cabin he hit.
Seems I read he was happy to get caught. Long ago I worked for the NPS, lived in tents several weeks before we walked out. That and just occasionally taking off by myself a number of times and I will tell you that you can get bored real quick in the wilderness when its just you.
Lets say for some reason you are in a doomsday senerio. Maybe you have shot a few enemy soldiers or whoever. Either our government or the one that we are fighting will fly over with heat seeking image stuff and find you in short order. A mortar or whatever it takes will end that fantasy. Seventy years ago and back you might have stood a chance hitting and running, hiding in the bush for awhile, but even a 150 years ago the law was running down bandits and outlaws here in the west with much less population and no electronic gadgets. Your first basic decision would be do you want to fort up at home or head for the hills? Any "stuff" will be hard to hump. Gas will be in short supply for vehicles and non existent in short order. All this HAS happened many times in other countrys. We often see the tent camps of refugees. We never hear of the survivalists storys of people escaping their area and living off the land if in fact there are any at all. We`d like to think we are far tougher, smarter than the rest of the indigent world, yet those very people are used to far less than us and when you honestly think about it, they should adapt faster and last longer in a wilderness survival situation, yet we never hear storys of it.
Fun to think about though.
 
Aloha,

BigBill, FYI, Spam will Not last forever.

Some may, but many will not last more than 9 years.

Some may last just past the Best Used By Date.

The Spam made years ago was sealed better.

Now not so much.

Ask me how I know.....

Living on an Island 2500 miles from any meaningful help.

The Best I can do is hunker down and hope the USN gets here within at

least 2 weeks before everything fall apart.

Assuming that there still is a west coast.
 
All I can do is all I can do.

I fully expect to die of something one day, but I'm not planning on that being starvation.

I don't intend to sit around and dream up things to worry about that would be beyond my control. I have a wife and mother in law who do that for me.:D

Speaking of that; Mother in Law moving in with you....Now there's a SHTF situation!:eek:
 
On the tv survivalists programs I have to wonder if the people portrayed are really preparing for a specific SHTF scenario or really any SHTF scenario but huge shows producers require that they pick one to talk about for the purpose of making the program more coherent and the expert assessments and projections fit the narrative better.
Beside who wants to watch a doomsday prepped who talks about preparing to shoot and kill any and all of my neighbors who find th unprepared regardless of what SHTF scenario has come.
 
A little humor for all

This has been edited so as not to offend anyone but if you wish to use it elsewhere then substitute your choices of people or places wherever you want.


08 October 2012 Somewhere just Off the New Jersey coast...


A patrolling US Coast Guard ship stops four Men in a row boat, rowing towards shore...


The captain gets on the loud hailer and shouts "Ahoy, small craft, where are you heading?"


One of the Men stands up and shouts,
"We're invading the United States!"


The crew of the Coast Guard ship all start laughing and when the captain finally gains his composure, he gets back on the loud hailer and says "Just the four of you?"


The Man stands up again and shouts, "No, we're the last four- the rest are already there!"
 
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