AMMO TALK

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Picked up 400/$16.99 Fed American Eagle 38grain copper plated at Sportsman today. Never tried it before... Anyone here use it?

 

[djs764]

Winchester (550 pack from wally world)- HORRIBLE 2-3% fail to feed (terrible stovepipes)

Tonight, about 150 Remington gold (at the gun store's recommendation) - 1 stovepipe, 2 bad primers, 1 stuck in mag, 2 fail to feed (stayed in the mag) but no stovepipe, seemingly inconsistent powder charge, some loud, some almost silent.

About 100 rounds of Federal (red box from wally world). So far so good. Only 1 or 2 primer issues, but they went off on the second fire.

Oh yeah the winchester was SOOOO DIRTY.

I guess I got lucky for a change. I just picked up my 15-22 on Friday Serial # DVA**** and took it out today. It ate everything I had with 0 failures .The Winchesters are by far the dirtiest but I bought ton of them back when they were only $12.00/brick.

150 Remington GB's

50 Winchester XPert HV's

50 Federal 550's

 

[Just another 22 shooter]

CCI AR Tactical 22s have proved to be a winner with me. I just got in from putting them through the 15-22 and my Clark Custom 10-22. The 15-22, using open sights at 25 yards, shot the smallest group with Tacticals. Others ammo used was CCI 36 gr Mini Mags, CCI Green Tag, and Federal 550 bulk pak. The Mini mag and Geen Tag shot very similar groups and the Federal was all over the place.The Clark shot all the CCI stuff into small almost identical groups, with the Tactical edging out Green Tag for smallest. I have a 3-9x Leupold EFR on it and I used 6x to do the tests. I don't currently have a scope to put on the 15-22 but I have shot it with a scope and groups shrink considerably (duh!). And when I did have the scope on it, Green tags grouped the best. But with the results I have from the Clark, I think I'll be loading up on the AR Tactical ammo. If I get a chance later , I'll post pics of targets.

This is the target from my 10-22 Clark. Top target is Green Tag; middle is MiniMag Hp and bottom is AR Tactical.

 

[whoppo]

Picked up 400/$16.99 Fed American Eagle 38grain copper plated at Sportsman today. Never tried it before... Anyone here use it?

I've shot a few thousand rounds of the AE. Seemed to be similar to the Federal 550 bulk stuff. No problems with them, but I haven't figured out a good use for all those little 40 round plastic retainer things

I'm a little interested in trying the new CCI "tactical" stuff... I pass Cabelas on my daily office commute, so maybe I'll grab some this week

 

[jsimmons]

Has anyone used the Winchester Super-X High Velocity 40-grain RN ammo?

 

[grimreaper21]

CCI AR Tactical 22s have proved to be a winner with me. I just got in from putting them through the 15-22 and my Clark Custom 10-22. The 15-22, using open sights at 25 yards, shot the smallest group with Tacticals. Others ammo used was CCI 36 gr Mini Mags, CCI Green Tag, and Federal 550 bulk pak. The Mini mag and Geen Tag shot very similar groups and the Federal was all over the place.The Clark shot all the CCI stuff into small almost identical groups, with the Tactical edging out Green Tag for smallest. I have a 3-9x Leupold EFR on it and I used 6x to do the tests. I don't currently have a scope to put on the 15-22 but I have shot it with a scope and groups shrink considerably (duh!). And when I did have the scope on it, Green tags grouped the best. But with the results I have from the Clark, I think I'll be loading up on the AR Tactical ammo. If I get a chance later , I'll post pics of targets.

Thanks great to know, what i was looking for. Guess the lower velocities are actually helping with accuracy. Green tag is priced at $18 at gander mtn, what a joke! I can get the whole box of tactical for that price.

 

[trueg50]

Has anyone used the Winchester Super-X High Velocity 40-grain RN ammo?

What is the velocity on those?

I use Winchester Dynapoint GT's hollow points from Dicks that I think migh be the same. They have "Super X" case stamps, and are 1150fps w/ 40 grain hollow point.

For me they shoot fantastically, consistent and less issues then the Federals I was using.

 

[Jav]

Oh cool, I was thinking the CCI Tactical could have possibly have been gimicky. They're sold in bulk only aren't they?

 

[HalfSwiss]

They work just fine

Has anyone used the Winchester Super-X High Velocity 40-grain RN ammo?

Several hundred rounds and zero failures of any kind.

 

[grimreaper21]

Oh cool, I was thinking the CCI Tactical could have possibly have been gimicky. They're sold in bulk only aren't they?

So far only the 375 pack at cabelas, next year it should be more widely available. Sounds gimmicky but I know CCI specifically tested it using our 15-22s, and to address feeding issues. I can only assume then it was also engineered with 15-22s. so think of it as a custom ammo for our guns

 

[Jav]

So far only the 375 pack at cabelas, next year it should be more widely available. Sounds gimmicky but I know CCI specifically tested it using our 15-22s, and to address feeding issues. I can only assume then it was also engineered with 15-22s. so think of it as a custom ammo for our guns

Haha sounds great. Just heard some guy that ordered them and just did not work in his rifle(not S&W):

I'll have to order some

 

[scootle]

The rate of twist (1:14) on the 15-22 dictates...

As listed on the S&W website (and mentioned elsewhere), the 15-22 is a 1:15" twist rate.

I've mostly been using CCI Mini-Mag 40gr round nose so far in my new-ish 15-22 (DUR-series) without any notable issues. From what I've learned about the CCI ammo, it is definitely just a copper wash/plating (not a jacket)... and there is most definitely some sort of wax or other plastic-like sealant coating on the bullets, which you will notice if you handle the bullets while loading and get the residue on your warm fingers. Anyone know exactly what they use as their sealing material?

Some groupings from my efforts to to sight-in my RDS are decent enough at 25yds with the CCI 40gr:



Once I'm happy things are going well, I will probably try to switch to Federal Champion 36gr HP rounds since they are half the cost of the CCI Mini-Mag rounds.

From everything I've seen, I have little inclination to run non-copper plated ammo through the 15-22.

People who have been running CCI Stingers in your 15-22, are you sure it's not putting undue wear/tear on your internals? Even the built-like-a-tank Ruger Mk III pistol users warn us not to run HV ammo through the pistol as a routine due to the increased stress it places on all the mechanicals as it slams the bolt and stuff around. HV rounds are more reliable when put through a revolver and such, I believe.

Happy 15-22'ing!

edit: "HV" above refers to "hyper" velocity, not high-velocity like Mini-Mag or Federal Champion

 

[rtquig]

I had 2 375 bulk packs come in from Cabela's yesterday. Package was trashed and all the ammo was out of the boxes. E-mailed Cabelas and they are replacing them, said it would take 2-3 weeks. Not happy about the wait, but at least they are doing the right thing and replacing it.

 

[grimreaper21]

I had 2 375 bulk packs come in from Cabela's yesterday. Package was trashed and all the ammo was out of the boxes. E-mailed Cabelas and they are replacing them, said it would take 2-3 weeks. Not happy about the wait, but at least they are doing the right thing and replacing it.

Wow that's screwed up, they should have done it right the first time

 

[scootle]

I had 2 375 bulk packs come in from Cabela's yesterday. Package was trashed and all the ammo was out of the boxes. E-mailed Cabelas and they are replacing them, said it would take 2-3 weeks. Not happy about the wait, but at least they are doing the right thing and replacing it.

Good that they are making good on fixing your order. Probably the shipper is more to blame than Cabela's though. Did you get to keep the "trashed" ammo?

Do report back and let us know how the "Tactical" CCI rounds work out for you! If they are worthwhile, I might have to order up a huge load prior to the Feb 2011 crappy ammo law going into effect in Kalifornia.

 

[trueg50]

People who have been running CCI Stingers in your 15-22, are you sure it's not putting undue wear/tear on your internals? Even the built-like-a-tank Ruger Mk III pistol users warn us not to run HV ammo through the pistol as a routine due to the increased stress it places on all the mechanicals as it slams the bolt and stuff around. HV rounds are more reliable when put through a revolver and such, I believe.

Happy 15-22'ing!

I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest. Sure Stingers are a bit quicker, but they are by no means a real "hot" load.

I have seen other firearms with warnings about HV ammunition, but I have never heard of it being a problem in the slightest. In fact they are probably far and away the best ammunition to use since they tend to be the better ammunition (along with Aquila Interceptors and my favorite: CCI Velocitors).

 

[Jav]

Do report back and let us know how the "Tactical" CCI rounds work out for you! If they are worthwhile, I might have to order up a huge load prior to the Feb 2011 crappy ammo law going into effect in Kalifornia.

Uh oh...what law?

 

[scootle]

Uh oh...what law?

I can't link to other discussions here, but just google up AB962 in California law. ( posting links, advertising or otherwise promoting other forums isn't allowed - Phil )

In a nutshell, starting in Feb 2011 "handgun ammo" (by various vague definitions) will be restricted to "face-to-face" type transactions only, requiring both ID and a thumbprint at time of sale. This will basically disallow all mail and internet sales of certain ammo shipped into California.

There is still lots of confusion if it will apply to .22LR since it is used in both pistols and rifles... and there is some confusion over if the law will be somehow twisted into affecting rifle ammo in popular calibers as well.

For obvious reasons, many many people are working to find ways to prevent this from going into effect in Feb 2011, but nobody knows how it will play out.

It wouldn't hurt to have a decent stockpile of your favorite ammo in advance, regardless... Attached is what ~17,000 rounds of .22LR looks like....

Please inform me if I've been mis-informed.

 

[john16443]

In summary:

This law requires face to face transactions only, (no online purchases), and all purchasers of ammunition to be thumbprinted, IDed, exact types and amounts of ammunition recorded, and carries jail time and fines for selling to known criminals.

 

[scootle]

This law requires face to face transactions only, (no online purchases), and all purchasers of ammunition to be thumbprinted, IDed, exact types and amounts of ammunition recorded, and carries jail time and fines for selling to known criminals.

Hopefully this link is within the rules:

FAQ - Calguns Wiki

.22LR is currently "undetermined" status.

Good info there... now we can return to the topic at hand for the rest of you lucky folks who aren't stuck in our state!