Ancient Aliens

[windjammer]

Did any of you watch Ancient Aliens a couple weeks ago on the History channel? This subject has amazed me for years. There was a lot of new stuff (to me) on this program.

The show was 2 hours long and was completely one sided with no na-sayers. The opinions given were most all the things presented were accomplished by aliens, thousands of years ago.

I'm sure some of you must have seen the show....What do you think?

 

[windjammer]

Did any of you watch Ancient Aliens a couple weeks ago on the History channel? This subject has amazed me for years. There was a lot of new stuff (to me) on this program.

The show was 2 hours long and was completely one sided with no na-sayers. The opinions given were most all the things presented were accomplished by aliens, thousands of years ago.

I'm sure some of you must have seen the show....What do you think?

 

[borrowed time]

Interesting show, if you really want to dig into something strange, check out thr Rh-negative blood factor. Seems there is nothing to account for the fact that interbreeding between the two blood groups (Rh-neg. and Rh-pos.) does not work out very well.

 

[GatorFarmer]

I saw it. I think it was on again recently, after a first airing last Sunday. There was a token group of skeptics. One of the talking heads on the "pro" alien side was on Coast to Coast prior to the show airing. He said that the production company was "open minded" on the subject. I took that to mean that a show presenting sensational matierial in a credulous manner would draw better ratings. This has been shown by the results of "Monster Quest" and "Ufo Hunters", which is why the History Channel (now just "History") is no longer the Nazi/WW2 channel I suppose.

Anyway, it was an entertaining show.

 

[Texas Star]

I read the hoax books by Erich van Daniken, but believe that there are some things, like the Nazca lines, that have never been satisfactorily explained.

And the use of pyramids has interesting possibilities. The New World ones never evolved beyond the ziggurat style, though.

T-Star

 

[windjammer]

Texas Star.......

Your mention of the Pyramids, reminded me of something said on the program. According to hydro graphics, The Great Pyramid was built in 20 years.

It was said that each stone would have to be put in place every 9 seconds to accomplish the building.

 

[geoff40]

Sounds like a good program, wish I had cable.
There is a retired carpenter from Flint, Michigan by the name of Wallace T. Wallington. Mr. Wallington has his own website out there somewhere. He has figured out how they built the pyramids and other huge ancient structures. Using only his hands and fairly simple levers he builds with his hands out of wood, stone, a few nails and rope, he has an entire video showing how to lift 20 ton and heavier rocks up, move entire houses, or lift the horizontal cross stones up for structures like Stonehenge. He duplicates this feat on video using only his hands and his home made system. No joke, this guy really figured out what all the mad scientists and their doctorate degrees could not.
Mr. Wallington has even come out with an entire step by step analysis of the great pyramids and has estimated that with a crew of about 500 working he could build them in about 25 years. This includes cutting stones, getting them onsite, etc. If you see his videos you'll know he isn't blowing smoke.
As for aliens, I'm among those who find it hard to believe we are the only ones. I keep my mind open, and figure that probably 99.5% of the alien stuff, or the UFO stuff we see is mistaken identity or a hoax. But that leaves a 1/2% that is unexplainable and very interesting.

 

[jonnyringo]

What aboout spirits and ghosts. Do you all believe in them? I do.

 

[Blackcloud2]

Geoff, interesting take. I did not see the show, but will look for it in re-runs. I believe that Mr. Wallington is truly able to pull this off, but what are the chances of having an engineering mind like his, without the aide of previous modern marvels to observe showing up in ancient Eygpt? I don't know who or what built them, but it seems odd to me that they wouldn't have also built dams, sustainable cities and large scale food-producing systems to go along with it. Plus, this fabulous technology only shows up in another continent with the south and central American indians? Again, they were simple savages except for their un-real calendar and the clear understanding of the stars...they must have all been from Detroit, the place keen minds congregate!

 

[Texas Star]

The Mayan astronomers were very sophisticated, and the Aztecs made many human sacrifices to their gods at the time of the rising of the red star, Aldeberaan.

But that doesn't explain their architectural skills.

Or, their crystal skulls, some of which have internal prisms, can simply not be explained.
Some of these are much more sophisticated than others, which could be made by local craftsmen.

T-Star

 

[InolaOK]

Not too sure exactly what I believe along those lines. Do know that there's a lot out there that has no logical explanation. At least in today's world. I also believe in magic. Put whatever label you care to on the unexplainable things that happen all around us on a daily basis. I just call it "Magic".

 

[OKFC05]

I disappointed that the History Channel is spending so much time on programs that are "TV tabloids."

While there are many aspects of ancient technology that are not fully understood, none of what was presented on the program "proves" aliens from space did it, or that anyone other than talented humans would have been needed. They make simple things seem complicated and mysterious just for showmanship. Some of the things they claim are "unexplained" are not mysteries at all.

For example, some bronze swords have been found that are better than any bronze sword made now. When it was discovered how to make steel swords, which are better and cheaper than bronze, the finer details of bronze sword making were ignored and lost. Unfortunate, but no mystery, and no spacemen needed.

I think such "TV tabloids" detract from serious study and understanding of what is known. Any science/technology not familiar to an individual can be made to look like "magic."

 

[bshepherd]

Regarding he Great Pyramid, and using the generally accepted figure that it has 2.5 million blocks. 20 years at 365 days a year, 12 hours a day gives 87,000 hours. They would need to set 28 block per hour.
Seems doable once they got things rolling.

 

[ingmansinc]

Originally posted by jonnyringo:
What aboout spirits and ghosts. Do you all believe in them? I do.

I believe in everything except 5 shots and one hole at 25 yards with a .45acp.

 

[mohavesam]

I read where physics professors proved beyond doubt that humankind could not survive velocities greater than the speed of sound. Just cannot happen. I also read that the entire planet and all of it's elements were made from dust in six days.

Twenty years ago I saw a closet light come on then turn off by itself (several times), in a closet where there was no light fixture.

I believe in English Setters sniffing a bird forty yards away in a howling November crosswind.

 

[n4zov]

The show was 2 hours long and was completely one sided with no na-sayers.

Sounds like a typical evening on MSNBC with Obermann and Madow giving the "news."

 

[Capt Steve]

Years ago there was a documentary about an archeologist with a whole new theory on the pyramids. He observed that the erosion on the Spinx and the pyramids was caused by water not wind. Taking that observation to climatologists they determined that the presence of the necessary rainfall, as in heavy and over a long climatological period requisite to cause this erosion could only have happened 6,000 years earlier than everyone had always believed. The computer modeling they used to illustrate the difference between wind and water erosion was quite convincing.

The problem with this theory is that if the pyramids/Spinx are in fact 6,000 years older how did they get built? The society living in that region at that time was very simple, agrarian in nature with none of the advancements of the Egyptians who were presumed to be the builders (albeit 6,000 years later). The theory of alien assistance immediately came to the forefront as the only possible explanation. The archeologist (I wish I could recall his name), had to flee Egypt after numerous death threats. Seems like his theory would upset the entire archeological applecart and the Egyptians were having none of it.

I remember it all as being a very convincing alternate theory and wish I could recall more details. Anyone else out there familiar with this one?

 

[ABC]

Capt Steve see if this helps: http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mp...2/245173.xml&style#3.

 

[votan]

i have a degree in archaeology. there is a lot of weirdness in the ancient past that modern science can't explain. the pyramids are a popular example. we couldn't build them today. at baalbek in lebanon there is the roman temple of jupiter built on top of an earlier site that has huge 1,500 ton blocks 68x14x14 feet. how were they moved and put into place? all over the ancient world they used giant stones like we use bricks today. when you research the staggering constructions of our ancestors you soon see that there is no answer how these 'primitive' people built them. my archaeology professors would gloss ove the construction of places like baalbek, giza pyramids, the osireion, etc. and say they used levers and sleds to move the stones. i told one prof. academics must never have done any real labor to have that ridiculous notion. giant blocks of stone are one side of the story. the egyptians made delicate, slender necked vases out of hard stones (such as diorite) and drilled small holes into them that a little finger won't fit while opening up the inside bottoms. how this was done without cracking it and with what kind of drill boggles the mind. and they are carved, cleanly, with no rough edges on each line. take the sarcophagus in the "king's chamber" in the great pyramid. the granite stones that make up the room are between 50 and 70 tons and the sarcophagus was cut, hollowed out and polished from a surrounding grannite block. the great egyptologist sir flinders petrie concluded from drilled 'cores' found at giza that the egyptians used tubular drills that cut through and inch in a circumference of 6 inches. so a load of a ton or two was place on the drills and this was 4500 years ago! and just what sort of drills are we talking about? this is a fascinating subject and one that traditional archaeology just, frankly, ignores. i don't know how it was done, space aliens or advanced human technology, but done it was and we don't know how.

 

[Pisgah]

The question of "why" ancient people built some of the things they did will never be answered, but the "how" of it is no mystery. If modern scientists, engineers, and construction experts can figure out how to move huge blocks of stone with simple machines, or lay out gigantic ground designs without laser transits and such -- and they can -- then so could ancient people. They had the same brains we do.

It always amuses me that Easter Island is named as one of the oh-so-mystifying sites. How did they do it??!!?? Well, it's easy to see how they did it, as on Easter Island they left clear evidense of every step of construction, from quarrying and shaping the stone, to moving it, to erection of the finished product. No mystery to the "how", whatsoever.