MetalMan
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And it's over!
And the war is on.
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It's never over there.
The Persians must be running low on missiles and drones. Henry Kissinger did once say "An Iranian moderate is one who has run out of ammunition."
Now that's funny right there.
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Now that's funny right there.
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The Last Standing Knight
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As far as the Shah's son, I am reminded of the old addage that you "cannot step in the same river twice." I think even he realizes that the days of the Shahs have long ended.
In that part of the world, I am more concerned about who comes after more than the current tyrant(s) in charge. That part of the world has been at perpetual war since the dawn of human history and that will never change in our lifetime.
Iran is in the midst of committing national suicide...they all know it and the majority seem to be more than satified with that and until something happens that changes my outlook on that, it is what I will stay with. The issue is just how many people they will take with them.
The TERRORISTS likely surmised there weren't enough virgins for all the about to be dead.
Hence, STOP
Hence, STOP
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And I reiterate....we cannot fix these problems and if our operation is done, we need to declare victory and stay completely out of further festivities.
That's a reasonable concern. However, there are millions of Iranians in the US, most of whom (with the money and wherewithal) escaped Iran in 1979, and their progeny. They are fine upstanding citizens, every one (a lot) I've ever met are successful professionals or entrepeneurs. When was the last time you heard of Iranians here protesting, raising hell on social media, or involved in criminal activity? Neither have I.
My point being that any virgin-seeking zealots who may have recently slithered into the country illegally will have a hard time hiding among and being harbored by the established Iranians here. My hunch is that the vast majority of Iranian-Americans would rat them out to law enforcement if they were aware of any.
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It will be over as soon as Iran no longer wants war.
That hasn't been true for Iran since Xerxes I, just 2500 years ago.
Hmmm, haven't noticed Iran going after the Greeks after Alexander the Great kicked their butt. Seems a good butt kicking ( like they just got ) just might persuade them to be peaceful for awhile.
Don
deadin
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Trump just announced a 12 hour cease fire like it is a victory.
Sounds to me it just gives both sides time to reload.....
Sounds to me it just gives both sides time to reload.....
The ceasefire agreement is good news, but remember; they have reneged on agreements in the recent past, so . . .
So far Trump is playing chess three moves ahead, and Iran is playing checkers. Why would anyone question any particular move at this point? Sit back and learn.
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There is no reason to think that Iran hasn't moved some or all of their enriched uranium.
There is no reason to think that Iran doesn't have an entire facility that we don't know about, remember that all of the known facilities were once unknown.
And even if they don't have a facility, they almost certainly have spare centrifuges.
There is no reason to take Iran at it's word.
The ceasefire os pointless without an agreement, Iran will try to drag out negotiations while moving their program forward.
Trumps legacy will be a nuclear-armed Iran.
Just what I think, based on really limited public information.
Anyone wanna bet a shiny dime that I'm wrong
There is no reason to think that Iran doesn't have an entire facility that we don't know about, remember that all of the known facilities were once unknown.
And even if they don't have a facility, they almost certainly have spare centrifuges.
There is no reason to take Iran at it's word.
The ceasefire os pointless without an agreement, Iran will try to drag out negotiations while moving their program forward.
Trumps legacy will be a nuclear-armed Iran.
Just what I think, based on really limited public information.
Anyone wanna bet a shiny dime that I'm wrong
Don't see 'em going after the Greeks anymore !! But you should keep researching, maybe you'll find something.
Don
Model19man
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You might want to read the terms of the cease fire more closely. The first part is twelve hours, the second part is twelve hours, then the final sentence is the war ends after that.
Perhaps you could direct me to the Iranian peaceful era.Don't see 'em going after the Greeks anymore !! But you should keep researching, maybe you'll find something.
Don
I'm convinced it would be futile on my part.....I'm told some folks still believe the moon landings were a hoax.
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UncleEd
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Looking for a quick, end-all victory? Maybe this is it.
U.S. intel probably knows how really effective the bombing was. So do
the Iranians.
Time for assessment.
Could be Iranians are saying, "was this your best shot?"
Home front American jingoism might be in full bloom in some parts.
But beware underestimating a foe even if only one last gasp exists to strike.
Then the tiresome 72 virgins joke might not seem so funny.
U.S. intel probably knows how really effective the bombing was. So do
the Iranians.
Time for assessment.
Could be Iranians are saying, "was this your best shot?"
Home front American jingoism might be in full bloom in some parts.
But beware underestimating a foe even if only one last gasp exists to strike.
Then the tiresome 72 virgins joke might not seem so funny.
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DWalt
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So where is the enriched U?
There is no ceasefire, there are only statements. Paper is very, very cheap. Soundbites even more so. There will be no ceasefire for a long, long time, not until Iran is out of offensive weapons, leaders, or both.
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According to your President it was Iran's last show of might and now they will come to the negotiating table and sue for peace. Unfortunately, as long as the Mad Mullah's remain in power any peace terms will just mean a pause to allow them to regroup. My biggest concern is the whereabouts of the 600 kilos of 60% enriched uranium that was spirited away before the bombing took place and just what it can be used for...
In an Amazon truck?
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History repeats itself once again and the sheeple are eagerly taking the bait.
"Naturally the common people don't want war. But after all it is the leaders of a country that determine policy and it's always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
This is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goring at the Nuremburg trials
"Naturally the common people don't want war. But after all it is the leaders of a country that determine policy and it's always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
This is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
Reichsmarschall Hermann Goring at the Nuremburg trials
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Now what?
However, the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs later posted: "As Iran has repeatedly made clear: Israel launched war on Iran, not the other way around. As of now, there is NO 'agreement' on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations. However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 am Tehran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards."
"The final decision on the cessation of our military operations will be made later," it added. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internati...-to-be-phased-in-over-24-hours_6742651_4.html
However, the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs later posted: "As Iran has repeatedly made clear: Israel launched war on Iran, not the other way around. As of now, there is NO 'agreement' on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations. However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 am Tehran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards."
"The final decision on the cessation of our military operations will be made later," it added. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internati...-to-be-phased-in-over-24-hours_6742651_4.html
Come on, man. Mossad and IDF know exactly where every Iranian leader, commander, and scientist sleeps and does (or did) his business. They've had lads creeping around inside Iran for many years. There are Iranian sources. They can see every truck and limousine from space. They know where the MacGuffin is, but do we really think they're going to announce that to the world?
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That's just more Iranian saber rattling and pride. They warned US of pending strikes in Qatar and then denied it later. I agree that Iran just wants the ceasefire to re-group. Peace is not now and has not been their intention.
No ceasefire in fact, it seems. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that both Iran and Israel violated the terms of a newly brokered ceasefire, just hours after it took effect. Speaking before departing for the NATO summit in The Hague, Trump expressed frustration with both sides, singling out Israel for launching strikes immediately after the agreement. - Newsweek
Oh, and ISIS is rejoicing, as Iran was countering them.
www.newsweek.com
President Donald Trump said Tuesday that both Iran and Israel violated the terms of a newly brokered ceasefire, just hours after it took effect. Speaking before departing for the NATO summit in The Hague, Trump expressed frustration with both sides, singling out Israel for launching strikes immediately after the agreement. - Newsweek
Oh, and ISIS is rejoicing, as Iran was countering them.
With Iran weakened by US and Israel, ISIS rejoices and resurges
"We should pay attention to this in our policy discussions," a former U.S. Central Command chief told Newsweek.
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The ceasefire is back on again, for now...
news.sky.com
Israel-Iran live: Trump swears on camera as he rages at Israel and Iran over faltering ceasefire
Donald Trump has expressed fury at Iran and Israel, saying both sides have violated a ceasefire agreement only hours after it was agreed. He told Israel to "calm down", later saying IDF warplanes en route to bomb Iran would turn around. Follow the latest on the conflict.
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