Annual LEOSA Qual with Model 19's
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I need to get that done. Had shoulder replacement surgery on my shooting side in February and still don't feel confident enough to spend the money for the range and instructor time. AZ has a 50-round POST course for retired folks, and I'd also have to do it twice if I want both types of guns on there. I use a 66-2 and a 3913 or 6906 for mine. Congrats!
Since MA does not require or list the gun you use, I qualify only with a semi-auto. IIRC NH (my soon to be permanent home) does list guns, so I may need to do a couple of qualifications if I have to do it up there. We'll see.
LEOSA states that you must qualify with each type of weapon you may carry. Indiana card states whether you qualified with an auto, a revolver, or both. I always qualify with both just to have the options.
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I have posted here before about the confusion of what "each type" means. Neal Knox (his organization) has said it is long gun, handgun. Many states say it is semi-auto handgun, revolver handgun. So far no test case has clarified the meaning. My states issues separate card for each firearm you qualify with.
Either way, .... OP it is cool to have 2 model 19's!
Either way, .... OP it is cool to have 2 model 19's!
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They use to have an attorney, maybe he's still there, who claimed LEOSA covers long guns. I contacted him and explained that long guns might be covered in LEOSA as long as they were concealed. But since concealing a long gun might be a real task on a day to day carry not likely that was the intent. He wrote back saying that nothing in LEOSA is about concealed carry. Obviously if he really was an attorney either he wasn't a very good one or he'd never read LEOSA. I sent him a copy of LEOSA highlighting every place the word 'concealed' was mentioned including in the title. He never answered but I still see reference to his opinion.
Pretty disappointing for such an organization to have someone like that giving opinions.
Right after passage of LEOSA in 2004 I got placed on a committee for our state. Our mission was to set up a program for retirees to meet the qualification. There was no agency mandated to handle the qualifications so until the legislature gave a specific agency the responsibility several agencies got together to get the ball rolling until the legislature was back in session and the agency was identified and funded. While on this committee we fielded calls from all over the US who were trying to set up programs. One eastern state, can't recall which one, was looking at identifying 'type' by the type of action of the gun. A 1911 SA was 1 type, something like a H&K P7 was another type, a DA/SA was another, a DAO was another, etc. They were creating themselves a lot of work. I don't know how they ended up.
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Mass treats LEOSA as handguns of any type and thus it is not noted on the certificate (which is 8.5x11" for our inconvenience). So you only have to qualify with any handgun and you are GTG.
I never heard of anyone doing LEOSA qualification for long guns. I'm certified in Mass to qualify retirees under LEOSA and the course of fire is strictly handguns.
Good job and a fine pair to qualify with. You can't do much better than that pair of 19s.
Where I'm at you have to qualify with each type (revolver and semi-auto) if you want to be covered for both. The specific guns are not put on the card although they do now record what specific gun was used on their internal records.
My former agency has relaxed their initial practice of listing specific handguns (make, model, serial number & caliber) on LEOSA qual documents. They do that for authorized off-duty weapons for active staff, so the guy making the policy for LEOSA did it the same way. That guy retired many years ago, though, and now the issued qual document just lists whether someone has qualified with a pistol and/or a revolver. Baby steps. 
I use both for my LEOSA quals. It allows me the ease of options for my retirement CCW needs and preferences.
I use both for my LEOSA quals. It allows me the ease of options for my retirement CCW needs and preferences.
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