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The 2nd Amendment really doesn't set forth qualifiers. I cringe at mall ninjas who use tactical acronyms for people who just want to exercise their 2nd Amendment right by carrying a pistol . . .
And really, what in God's Green Acre does "Non-Dedicated Personnel" mean?
And really, what in God's Green Acre does "Non-Dedicated Personnel" mean?
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I dropped my keys while removing them from my pocket.
Was that accidental or negligence on my part?
Or is the object in question the qualifier?
I think negligence requires deliberate lack of forethought but the line may be finer than that.
A couple of things are clear. The lady has the right to carry whatever gun she wants in any manner she chooses. Carrying her choice of gun in the manner she chose resulted in someone getting shot. Epic fail in her choices. It's good she shot her husband in the leg and not a kid in a stroller in the chest. I'm certain she is rethinking her options.
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I made my thoughts known in the recent Derringer thread , but yup, AD's are a cliche with them also .
Traditional Remington copies don't have transfer bar . Some more recent ones have a safety . But even if functional in the sense of not going bang , they are cumbersome on top of already cumbersome getting into action, that many would skip using them.
In Sixguns , Keith related an incident that occurred shortly before he finished the writing . One of the Reserve Deputies in his area carried a ( probably Great Wetern ) .38spl Derringer . They were required to carry at least a .38spl , and a Derringer was least expensive/ least obtrusive for a non-gun person ( aka NDP ) . At the office the Derringer fell out of his pocket, and he reached to try to grab it . From the balance, it hit butt first, struck hammer, discharged , and fatality hit him in the chest .
If you just have to carry a Derringer, the High Standard hammerless design is reasonably drop safe .
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I don't know who originally coined the term , but Jeff Cooper occasionally referred to Non Dedicated Personnel . Not only referring to the totally incompetent , but also persons armed for their occupation or circumstance that met the relevant minimum training standards , but no further knowledge , or practice, or pursuit of further skills .
One of his observations that would probably be well recieved here was to the effect that the best handgun for Non Dedicated Personnel would be a .44Spl revolver .
Traditional Remington copies don't have transfer bar . Some more recent ones have a safety . But even if functional in the sense of not going bang , they are cumbersome on top of already cumbersome getting into action, that many would skip using them.
In Sixguns , Keith related an incident that occurred shortly before he finished the writing . One of the Reserve Deputies in his area carried a ( probably Great Wetern ) .38spl Derringer . They were required to carry at least a .38spl , and a Derringer was least expensive/ least obtrusive for a non-gun person ( aka NDP ) . At the office the Derringer fell out of his pocket, and he reached to try to grab it . From the balance, it hit butt first, struck hammer, discharged , and fatality hit him in the chest .
If you just have to carry a Derringer, the High Standard hammerless design is reasonably drop safe .
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I don't know who originally coined the term , but Jeff Cooper occasionally referred to Non Dedicated Personnel . Not only referring to the totally incompetent , but also persons armed for their occupation or circumstance that met the relevant minimum training standards , but no further knowledge , or practice, or pursuit of further skills .
One of his observations that would probably be well recieved here was to the effect that the best handgun for Non Dedicated Personnel would be a .44Spl revolver .
Doug M.
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Muss, I'm used to a different population of people who are mostly not collectors, but who regularly go into harm's way on behalf of others. Until recently, the primary forum on which I read and wrote was one that is composed primarily of that population. (I forced myself to take a break as part of forcing me to write something I have not yet completed.) While retired from LE, I still do LE legal and teach cadets in our reserve academy, sworn personnel in in-service, etc. as part of my job.
I support people exercising their second amendment rights.I am somewhere past ardent civil libertarian when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and restrictions on it. However, there are strong positions I take and view as consistent because we who own and carry firearms have to be serious about it. Deadly serious, if one wishes to use a phrase that might have a double meaning. That means researching gear that works as a part of making lifestyle choices. The two issues here (platform and carry method) are epics fails that any reasonable amount of research would have revealed to be outside of acceptable under almost all conditions. That seriousness must also extend to other choices. One has to research and learn the realities of ballistics, ergonomics of their preferred platform, law, and tactics, and to an extent that there is a subconscious continuing assessment of places and people all the time. (Is anything out of place? What is it? Why am I not leaving?) I also do not believe being armed is a part time thing. One simply cannot make an appointment for an emergency, and must live accordingly. This includes not wasting money and vacation time on possessions and crud that does not contribute to skill and knowledge. I am driving a car that is coming on 165K. So far, so good, but I am keeping an open mind on continual assessment of replacement. A monthly car payment is equal to a couple cases of quality ammo, or a good class. Priorities.
I support people exercising their second amendment rights.I am somewhere past ardent civil libertarian when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and restrictions on it. However, there are strong positions I take and view as consistent because we who own and carry firearms have to be serious about it. Deadly serious, if one wishes to use a phrase that might have a double meaning. That means researching gear that works as a part of making lifestyle choices. The two issues here (platform and carry method) are epics fails that any reasonable amount of research would have revealed to be outside of acceptable under almost all conditions. That seriousness must also extend to other choices. One has to research and learn the realities of ballistics, ergonomics of their preferred platform, law, and tactics, and to an extent that there is a subconscious continuing assessment of places and people all the time. (Is anything out of place? What is it? Why am I not leaving?) I also do not believe being armed is a part time thing. One simply cannot make an appointment for an emergency, and must live accordingly. This includes not wasting money and vacation time on possessions and crud that does not contribute to skill and knowledge. I am driving a car that is coming on 165K. So far, so good, but I am keeping an open mind on continual assessment of replacement. A monthly car payment is equal to a couple cases of quality ammo, or a good class. Priorities.
fredj338
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An accident is beyond your control. So yes, dropping your keys would come into the on accidental category. When a round goes off because you miss handle the weapon, intention or not, negligence. If the gun has a mechanical failure & goes off, accident. AD are pretty rare while ND, pretty common.
Lotta people carry a gun like a talisman. The idea of actually having to use it for what it's designed terrifies them. Maybe a rabbits foot is a better idea for some people. (That's not just restricted to people with derringers, either.)
fredj338
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Yep, most of us gave up our wooby about age 3? Owning a gun is serious, carrying it is about times 100. Unfortunately many dont get that.
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