Another drone shooting. This is not going to go away.

The question isn't really if we have a reasonable expectation of aerial privacy, but do we have that right? We may have it under the 4th Amendment, but that might only apply to law enforcement searching for signs of criminal activity. All this is still a gray area.

My thinking is that we do have that right, but to what degree? Here's a personal "for instance". I can key in my home address right now, go to Google Maps, then click on "satellite view", and see my house. I can do a maximum zoom and distinctly see one of my vehicles sitting out back, and next to that vehicle is a black shape. I have two big black dogs. That black shape can be nothing else but one of my dogs. The dogs are the only black shapes in my back yard. I can scroll over to my neighbor's house and see one of them out in their back yard, though I can't tell if it's him or her. And that view is just with Google Light. No telling how much detail I could see if I used the paid version.

I can click on my cousin's house in Conway, SC, then go to "street view" and see her husband sitting outside in a lawn chair.

So where does privacy begin and end?

What are you gonna do? Shoot the Google Car as it drives past, photographing your property. Probably not a great idea.

Personally, I think this Kentucky guy acts and sounds like a jerk having a knee jerk reaction to a fairly mundane event. Thinks he's being "spied on" or something. And he's dumb enough to fire off a shotgun into the air in a neighborhood. And where's the proof the drone was spying on him or his family or his daughter or his dog or cat or whatever?

I wonder what's next on his hit list? Maybe the camera down at the corner convenience store, or the cameras in the bank. Or maybe that one up on the traffic light.

I hope he has to pay for the drone, the camera, and gets a fine on top of that.

In case y'all think I'm kiddin' about the Google Map/Satellite View thing...a screenshot is attached.

Yep Google Maps are great but not real time. I can see my swimming pool in the back yard and my F350 in the front. Thing is the pool hasn't had water in it for about a year it does in the pic and I sold my truck 6 months ago. Someone is going to be real disappointed if they show up for a swim and plan on leaving in the F350. Don
 
It is hard for me to think the drone owner was not up to no good. I think him and his buddies were looking around the neighborhood for some skin. It is a shame that it will take one heck of an attorney to get the shooter off. Glad I'm not this test case!
 
Too bad it's illegal to discharge a firearm in this county. But I'm pretty good with a slingshot. ;)

What county in Washington prohibits discharging firearms? There is legal hunting in every county. IIRC you are in King County. Not counting rush hour(s) very few King County residents live more than a 45 minute drive away from one or more outdoor gun ranges. The large timber companies demanding you purchase one of their use permits before driving onto their property put a damper on a lot of the traditional plinking but there are still the national forests. I'm not sure if Warehouser has changed their policies but they used to be O.K. with plinking and might still be if you bought their use permit.
 
I'm an AMA member and fly R/C and know that this pilot was wrong in his doings. He endangered property and everyone he flew near to. The AMA insures you for $2M for accidents (if the rules are followed) at a cost of $80.00 per year. IF the pilot was an AMA member, he'll probably get booted out and I hope he does.
 
We have some good ideas here. The paintball gun and hose have potential. I was going to suggest a nice quiet pellet gun or some sort of net if the drone flies low enough. I would return the drone to the owner if they came looking for it and would be unapologetic about the condition it was in. 'GoPro? What GoPro?'
 
Yep Google Maps are great but not real time.

Sure, a Google satellite image isn't real time. My point is (was) that if someone wants to "spy" on you, there's very little can be done about it. Don't think there aren't satellites or other forms of aerial surveillance that can't watch you in real time. A drone, for instance, hovering over your home at...oh, say 1500 feet or 2000 feet that can watch you when you're outside, and can see infrared images of you inside.

That's no doomsday paranoia on my part, either...just the facts.
 
I'm an AMA member and fly R/C and know that this pilot was wrong in his doings. He endangered property and everyone he flew near to.

How did he endanger property?

And some yokel shooting a shotgun up into the air in a neighborhood doesn't constitute any sort of danger, no matter how slight? Yeah, okay.
 
A few bad apples are going to spoil it for others.

You can see it coming. Once the government agencies, like the fire department, started complaining about drones, it was set in motion.

Regulation is bound to get traction. There isn't going to be alot of sympathy for the drone community either. It's going to be, "They made their bed. Now they can lay in it."

The lack of responsibility of a couple operators are going to bring things like min/max alt corridors, min separation from buildings, people, livestock. It isn't going to take a rocket scientist to figure out it's a cash cow for things like registration fees, insurance, licensing, etc. I can't see how it's going to end any other way.
 
The Drones are just the first wave of scouts.

Next come the Terminators.

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I have a neighborhood creep that flies one around looking in peoples back yards, I have seen it twice and its annoying at best.

Jamming a frequency is illegal by FCC regulations and the cops are gonna hassle you if you fire any projectiles into the air because those projectiles have to come down sometime.

A decent water stream could knock one down and Im sure it wouldn't be hard to make something low volume high pressure that either attaches to a pressure cleaner pump or for higher volume a small portable pump .

Best of all how can anyone complain that you are squirting water at their drone without sounding insane or like a total peeping Tom pervert.
 
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They had a drone on TV news that could shoot back. Some one mounted a compact pistol on it and was flying it and shooting stuff. Don
 
Your drone comes to my window, it dies. You come to complain? Not a smart move.

Anything that comes looking in my window won't be there long. Peep on me 00 will fly. I purchased a case of 00 before the cost went crazy. Good for blowing holes for ice fishing kidding Lmao.

My hunting camp is so bad my neighbor won't come there at night. Don't send a drone. Just knock on the door in the daytime be civil.
 
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Jamming a frequency is illegal by FCC regulations...
Is it? Can you post a law to this?

It would be really easy to jam the control frequency. Further, it would only take about 5 seconds of jamming to bring it down. How would he prove you did it? This is by far the best way to deal with pests and much preferable to shooting.
 
I live in this state and police really close to this jurisdiction and know the laws. Sucks that this guy got arrested. I agree that the damage to the property was correct for the charge of criminal mischief, but the officers should have let the man take the case to court without an arrest. The laws for shooting a firearm in this area are simple, if you are doing it safely you are doing it legally. This means that the charge of wanton endangerment was a bull**** charge. Shooting birdshot upwards into the air(assuming not at an angle with possible people around that direction), is NOT putting people into grave danger of death or serious physical injury. The charge is incorrect and I hope he beats it. I feel sorry for this guy.
 
Is it? Can you post a law to this?

It would be really easy to jam the control frequency. Further, it would only take about 5 seconds of jamming to bring it down. How would he prove you did it? This is by far the best way to deal with pests and much preferable to shooting.

The newer type radios that have been out for years now are hard to jam, but a sweep generator may work. Don
 
I live in this state and police really close to this jurisdiction and know the laws. Sucks that this guy got arrested. I agree that the damage to the property was correct for the charge of criminal mischief, but the officers should have let the man take the case to court without an arrest. The laws for shooting a firearm in this area are simple, if you are doing it safely you are doing it legally. This means that the charge of wanton endangerment was a bull**** charge. Shooting birdshot upwards into the air(assuming not at an angle with possible people around that direction), is NOT putting people into grave danger of death or serious physical injury. The charge is incorrect and I hope he beats it. I feel sorry for this guy.

If it was a grave danger I would have been dead a long time ago. many a time sitting in a duck boat in Iowa I have had shot rain down on me it just happens in a public hunting area. I am sure the largest were probably #2s. Don
 
A roll of toilet paper a bolt, a battery and some copper wire can make a hjammer..
 
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What county in Washington prohibits discharging firearms? There is legal hunting in every county. IIRC you are in King County. Not counting rush hour(s) very few King County residents live more than a 45 minute drive away from one or more outdoor gun ranges. The large timber companies demanding you purchase one of their use permits before driving onto their property put a damper on a lot of the traditional plinking but there are still the national forests. I'm not sure if Warehouser has changed their policies but they used to be O.K. with plinking and might still be if you bought their use permit.


It is illegal to discharge a firearm anywhere in King County unless at a range. Many of the state and federal shooting areas are being closed down because people act like buttheads.
 
They have pools with young daughters. Hoovering a drone over the people's pools is another factor. Sounds weird. They didn't pull the card out of the drone to see what's on it.
 
I can't recall where I read it, but I thought one was legally able to shoot down a drone over his own property.

There are numerous articles and legal opinions available online that cover shooting down of drones and the rights of property owners.

The concensus seems to be since early in 2014 is that no, it is not okay to shoot down a drone just because it's flying or hovering over your property.

No point in me wasting my time going into detail about this...y'all can click the mouse as easy as I can. Just Google something along the lines of "legal shoot down drones", and all sorts of drone weirdness will pop up on your screen.

But for all the shoot-'em-down guys, you might want to ask yourself would it be worth the time and expense of going to court once you made your kill?

Of course, you could always call Johnny.

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The newer type radios that have been out for years now are hard to jam, but a sweep generator may work. Don
Well, I don't know a lot about RC frequencies, but unless they are sweeping the fundamental, it's easy to block. You just need a bigger fundamental. The biggest problem is finding a generator in the correct frequency range that puts out enough power. They can be expensive.
 
Shawn,
That sounds good in theory, but not practical. In order for that to work, every drone would have to be GPS enabled. Some are, but the home made variety, which is a huge sector, can do what they want.
 
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