Another moonclip question

peterk1234

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I finally got some moonclips to work with my brass. Now the challenge I am running into is that it is difficult to eject the brass after firing. The brass is expanding enough to cause some binding. Is this a common problem?

I think I may have to have the brass fit more loosely. I am not sure how else to solve the issue. The gun is a 686 plus pro; seven rounds.

These clips are going to be the death of me. I was hoping to get them to work for a pin shoot coming up.
 
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Thats common.

Thats why you need a specific load for what you're running.

Z.b. i run 158 gr. Magnums and 115 gr short colts X 8! Took me forever to find the right powder load and i hated my 627 to the point of almost getting rid of it. Now, it lives mostly in my range bag! I remember i had to karate chop some American Eagles out one time and hurt my hand.

Yes. You have to fiddle with the moonclips and find the right brass a
AND find the right load. Proves nothing in life is ever easy.

Some factory ammo will do that. Some hot loads also. What gr. you running? Might be as simple as one disc size. Factory ammo; i wont be much help.

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Ok, to recap what others have said in this and your other thread, with moon clips there are differences and also there are differences in brass. Most, but certainly not all revolver shooters that use moons and shoot in competitions handload their own ammo. Most of my revo shooting is with a 929 which is of course 9mm so I have to use moons but I also have a 686 6-shot that I had the cylinder cut for moons. I don't use the 686 that much and I don't remember which thickness they are but they are TKs.

I purchased these TKs especially to use with 38 spl. Federal brass. They (TKs) are premium moons (cost a lot) and the brass fits very tight in the moons. Depending on the tool you use (as others have said get the BMT) if the brass isn't correctly seated in the moon clip grove then it will not fit in the cylinder. There are, and this is also an expense worth making, there are gages that mimic the cylinder that you can use to test your loaded moon clips, TK sells them for about $50.00

Getting back to the brass, try another brand of ammo and see if they work with your moon clips better. I know that with 929s some who handload have said that under certain loads the brass expands in the cylinder and is hard to eject. If you check Brian Enos forum you might find something about this but I cannot remember anyone posting issues with 38 spl. One other thing, many commercial ammo makers buy their brass from different suppliers and as long as the brass meets SAAMI specs they use it but there is no guarantee that different lots will have the same dimensions.

TK moons, as mentioned are considered premium, competitors like them and they want tight fitting moons. By this I mean the ammo fits in the clips tightly, not the loaded moon clip fitting in the cylinder tightly. A thinner moon clip might be more user friendly but the rounds will wobble thus in theory causing a slightly longer reload. For my 929 I use inexpensive spring steel moon clips, some I have used soo much and they are worn enough that I can install and remove rounds of ammo without using any tool. These need to be replaces very soon. A few places that sell inexpensive moons are Revolver Supply Store and Ranch Products.

Hang in with moons once you get it you will love them. Also, regarding your 686 grips, exact replacement S&W grips are inexpensive and there are 100s of aftermarket grips available for the L frame. I took a rasp to my stock grips to remove the finger bumps. Very ugly to look at but a huge improvement in shootability. I have a small hand and the groves were in the wrong place for me. You might consider for pin (or steel) shooting Hogue Big Butts. They range in price from about $80.00 to roughly $150.00

BTW and not to change the subject. Even Performance Center revolvers should have action work done on them to lighten and smooth the trigger pull. Right now stock S&W L and N frames have something in the neighborhood of a 14 pound double action pull. Mine have been worked to 7 pounds and I know of some who have even lighter. Problem here is if you go too light you might have to select your ammo for soft primers, I use nothing but federal primers which are considered the softest. You also might want to have the cylinder charge holes chamfered.
 
Thank you for he comments.

I am using tk moonclips. The armscor brass was so tight that it was twisting the moonclip. I am reloading this brass. I am using a 158 grain lswc and 3.6 grains of HP38. Not a very hot load. I am using a moonclip tool.

I will try some other ammo. I am so close to getting these things to work. I was really surprised with this issue. I am keeping my cylinders clean as well.

Thanks. Pete
 
I don't know who supplies S&W, but the moonclips included from the factory with my PC 686+ worked great with the magnum Federal 125gr HP, American Eagle 158gr SP, and Buffalo Bore 180gr that I use them for.

I ordered more from S&W, even though they were the most expensive option, because they work and I didn't want to experiment. Good luck.

Product: Full Moon Clip for Performance Center 357 Magnum Guns Only
 
Pete,

Sorry to read of your moonclip difficulty. The problem you have revolves around the fact that the groove in the brass is different for each make of 38/357 brass. The thickness of your moonclips is too much for the Armscor brass. I don't know how you obtained your TK Custom clips, but you need to call TK directly and speak with them about what you have(measure the thickness of the clips before you call) and what problems you're experiencing. They are good people and will help match brass to clips. TK Custom is a small business based in Illinois which specializes in the moonclip business. I've worked with Tom and his crew several times over the last 25 years.

Good luck and PM me if you have questions.
 
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Probably one or both- 1. Brass too tight in moonclips (should be able to spin the case once it's loaded in the clip). 2. Chambers are rough and need chamber reamed or polished.
 
I have a couple of 8-shot N-frames and a 7-shot K frame 357s which take moon clips. I've shot a variety of factory 158 and 125 grain Has, and my handholds as well. I've never had difficulty ejecting the brass, but it might take a whack on the extractor rod. The plus of using moon clips is that they are very easy to load, especially, if the chamber is chamfered. Rimmed cases should be roll crimped for smooth entry, and the bullets without a step (I use RNFP or Hornady XTP).

Is there crud in the chambers from shooting .38 special? That will cause hard ejection. Not as common is a slight bulge in the chamber from a high-pressure load, usually at the notch. This doesn't apply to 7 round cylinders, where the notch is between chambers. After multiple reloading, the cartridge thins out just above the web, and may expand too much, even with normal loads. At .357 pressure, the mouth of the cartridge expands to grip the chamber, while the base tries to take up slack in the headspace.
 
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I am using tk moonclips. The armscor brass was so tight that it was twisting the moonclip. I am reloading this brass. I am using a 158 grain lswc and 3.6 grains of HP38. Not a very hot load. I am using a moonclip tool.

O.K, Here's your biggest problem. Armscor Brass. Throw it away and get yourself some Federal or Remington Peter's brass. I normally buy 1000 rounds of American Eagle ammo to shoot out of my .38s so that I than have good brass.

TK clips are the best. Switch from LSWC to RNL for faster reloads. Your load of 3.6 grain of HP38 should work just fine.

Good luck and good shooting.
 
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I am using tk moonclips. The armscor brass was so tight that it was twisting the moonclip. I am reloading this brass. I am using a 158 grain lswc and 3.6 grains of HP38. Not a very hot load. I am using a moonclip tool.

O.K, Here's your biggest problem. Armscor Brass. Throw it away and get yourself some Federal or Remington Peter's brass. I normally buy 1000 rounds of American Eagle ammo to shoot out of my .38s so that I than have good brass.

TK clips are the best. Switch from LSWC to RNL for faster reloads. Your load of 3.6 grain of HP38 should work just fine.

Good luck and good shooting.

Thanks. I will hit one of the local shops and pick up a box of AE today and try it out.
 
Moon clips

Just a side note, I use TK moon clips on a Model 28-2, Federal and Remington work great. Remington nickel plated brass is so loose they fall out of the clips. Also be aware of using Winchester brass or Starline. I would contact TK before using either. Good luck, it'll be worth it
 
Prove one problem first!

First of all you have not proved the problem is the moon clips! First you must prove the cylinder is good, that's all the holes! Try a cylinder full without the clips. If that sticks, try one hole at a time. Inspect the brass looking for any bulges and longitudinal lines in the brass indicating something wrong in a hole! Try a different load and/or different brass without the clips. I have shot moon clips for many years and have never had problems with the clips that could not be attributed to the rounds in the chambers. If you have problems with the loaded clips sticking it would show up when you are inserting the loaded clips into the cylinder. ALL of my loaded clips drop in and out of the cylinders with ease, that's 200+ clips! ! ! !
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I don't know about Moon clips...they seem to be an imperfect solution. I got a couple with the 640 Pro, but it would seem that Speed Strips or Speed Loaders are more universal and durable.
 
I don't know about Moon clips...they seem to be an imperfect solution. I got a couple with the 640 Pro, but it would seem that Speed Strips or Speed Loaders are more universal and durable.
Oh no. Moonclips ARE the fastest, most efficient way of loading your revolver to shoot the maximum amount of rounds down range. Just watch the pros and see what they use. The right clip,correct brass and loads are absolutely important.

In my experience, my moonclipped revos beat loading efficiency on any . I load several 200 round boxes when i go to the range.

To say it is an "imperfect solution", would incite a long line of professionals, enthusiasts and hobbyists to differ.......
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It's interesting to read about the problems that some have with moon clips and various brands of ammo and brass. I run five revolvers in 45acp. Two are over 60 years (1950, 1955), two are 99 years old (1917's, Colt and S&W) and lastly a 625-2. I use the clips from Revolver Supply with any brass cased ammo I can buy at a good price. I use a BMT tool for loading and emptying the clips, which really adds to their longevity. I have never had a single problem, ever.
 
I don't know about Moon clips...they seem to be an imperfect solution. I got a couple with the 640 Pro, but it would seem that Speed Strips or Speed Loaders are more universal and durable.

There is absolutely no way a speed strip or speed loader could faster than a moon clip.
 
There is absolutely no way a speed strip or speed loader could faster than a moon clip.
I'm referring to the comments about how finicky they seem to be regarding type of brass, load, how they can bend, etc. I can see a dedicated shooter like yourself making them work for you, but someone like me might just get frustrated. I went to TKs website and read a little bit, and it seems like the little things can be persnickity...but I don't shoot competitively so I don't need to worry about speed. I'd probably get a couple of 5 Star Speed Loaders myself...although I usually carry a pouch of speed strips.
 
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