Any love for Glocks around here?

Now this is interesting. This runs counter to the narrative that the old stuff was built better. The folklore is that back in the day you had actual artisans building the guns. This sentiment seems especially prevalent among those who favor old Smith & wessons, like me!

Let's talk about this

Well, you'll note that I excepted S&W's in my discussion of old guns that didn't work. Smiths usually did, and as long as you were OK with a Smith revolver you were usually OK. Autoloaders were notoriously unreliable and that includes Colts. Even if you got lucky enough to get one that worked you always felt like it might not work THIS TIME. I had two brand new Colts that would not fire when they came out of the box. Explanations are too long for here but, bottom line, neither should have left the factory. Colt revolvers weren't necessarily unreliable but the grip frames were so big, especially on the Official Police and New Service guns, that I just couldn't use them. My point with all this was that "the good ol' days" weren't necessarily all that good when it came to handguns, and a lot of the problems I experienced then just haven't happened with the modern plastic pistols. And I don't limit that to Glock. I also have HK's, Canik, SIG and others and they're all utterly reliable. One other point - for years I taught classes with John Farnam. These were high round count classes (1000+ rounds in two days) and very hard on guns. Back when students used 1911's and revolvers we spent inordinate amounts of time fixing guns and trying to keep them running. The only really reliable guns were the surplus military 1911's with hardball, if they hadn't been messed with. The tricked out 1911's were the worst. In the years since the transition to plastic guns those issues have disappeared. Not to say a gun doesn't break now and again but it's nothing like it was 40 years ago. So, as I said above, I don't love Glocks or others but I do appreciate them for their rock solid reliability, and that's what counts first in a true defensive handgun in my book.
 
I love shooting and messing with my Smiths, Browning, and Colts.
I work in a shady area, and it's striker-fired plastic for me. SIG 365 for concealment.

When I get home Friday night, I decide what I'm carrying for the weekend. Come Monday, back to SIG.

If bad things were happening, and I was no longer worried about concealment, it would be Glock 17/19 for me.
 
Great customer service.

A Glock owner can drive to the plant in Smyrna, GA and have their Glock handgun serviced for free. There is a charge for steel or night sights but no installation fee. I currently have six 9mm’s, two .357 Sig, one 10mm and two Advantage Arms .22 LR conversion kits on Gen. lll 22 & 29sf receivers. I have given Glocks as gifts. My Gen. l 17 was made in November 1987 and is still running strong.

I understand we are all different and have various likes and dislikes; however, one does themselves a disservice by not evaluating a new or different product.

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the free benefits offered by Glock.
I'm a firm believer in Glocks.
 
I am a firm believer of the KISS principal. I do love my Glocks. Simple is the best thing I can say about my Glocks.
As ColbyBruce noted, Get your guns to Smyrna, Ga. Glock armorer will take and rebuild it.Replace any springs, Pins or other parts that are not up to spec. Also will replace your mags for free. Been there. Only takes about an hour unless they are real busy.
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You nailed it

I got into fireams about 4 years ago when I got a job in a shooting-related industry. My professional interest turned into a passion that lead me to collecting and training.

Being a lover of history and one who appreciates beautiful things and fine craftsmanship, I gravitated toward Smith and Wesson revolvers. I also got into fine steel autoloaders including 1911s, hi powers, Gen 3 S&W's, etc.

I dabbled in polymer, striker-for guns. But they didn't have any appeal other than as utilitarian devices. This still largely true. But I've started to develop a fondness for my Glocks (19, 21, 26).

I've come to appreciate them for the perfection with which they fulfill their mission. They are intended to be reliable, tough, light, consistent, cheap, easy to master, and safe. And they all these things. I've come to appreciate the sheer plainness and how everything is subordinate to it's intended function. There are no frills or flourishes of any kind. There is nothing that isn't essential.

And I appreciate the story of Gaston Glock coming at an engineering challenge work and outsider's perspective and remaking the world.

Lots of people complain about the ergonomics of the Glock grip. I agree that they don't fit the hand like a glove, but I find that the grips accommodate TWO hands quote well. I shoot long barrel revolvers better than I shoot my Glocks. But I find Glocks to be perfectly functional shooters.

My favorite quote I read about Glocks went something like this: "I've got guns that I show my friends. I'd show my enemies my glock."

Does anyone else have a soft spot in their hear for Glocks?
All your Glock talk nailed it exactly on how I feel about Glocks. Only have one, a 26 that I bought maybe 30 or so years ago as I decided I needed to carry something with more boom than a 380. There is a good reason why that part of the world has the reputation it does on fine running machinery and a Glock is one of them.
 
My sons have been Glock fans, and have remarked that they are quite reliable. They have, however, moved on to M&P's and Beretta 92's because of trigger issues and the appeal of the DA/SA advantages. I believe the claims that Glocks are reliable and durable. They have never appealed to me primarily because of potential safety concerns. My only polymer-framed handgun is a DA/SA FN primarily because of the decocker and DA safety (and because seeing he hammer gives me information). It has functioned well; I like it but do not love it. That feeling is reserved for DA S&W revolvers and an all-metal high quality DA/SA Beretta. I believe that my need for high round capacity is small, compared to a need for reliability and simpliicity of operation.
 
..and trend setters in the 'Wonder Nine' category. However, I find them uncomfortable to hold and shoot. I prefer having a manual safety where I can decide whether to use it or not and I'm not big on their blocky appearance.


Second all that. I also am not a fan of the trigger feel....I prefer a solid trigger. I have a couple of 9s, Browning clone, 1911, A bersa with an external hammer, and shoot them well, but for EDC and just for fun I prefer a revolver. To me, revolvers have more character.
I did own a Glock for a brief period of time....a 48 I think, and was amazed at how light the lower frame was, but after shooting it a couple of times I sold it.
Don't get me wrong, Glocks especially and some others are fine pistols....just not for me.
 
Never loved them. I've never loved a garden rake either but it is the right tool for the job.

I've owned Glock 17s, 19s, 23s, 27s, and currently own 2 Glock 20s, a Glock 29, and a Glock 43. I like the firepower of the 10mms, and the 43 is just about a perfect pocket pistol.
 
Nope

Nope. I don't understand Glock people. I just don't get it.

I'm a DA/SA guy. I like pistols that have hammers that you can see. More flexible. Safer.

Perhaps we shooters who are wedded to DA/SA weapon systems are people who were raised on revolvers.

Here's my take on it. First, there was the single-action revolver. Along came Smith & Wesson, and they invented a revolver that could be cocked and fired with the movement of the trigger only, the double-action.

John Moses Browning's 1911 and his other semi-auto pistols made the semi-auto ubiquitous. However, you had to rack the slide or cock the hammer to fire it. Many of us revolver shooters thought, wouldn't it be great to have a semi-auto pistol that we could fire like we do our double-action revolver?

There's some argument about who made the first DA/SA, but the Walther P-38 often gets the nod. With a DA/SA, all you need to do is pull the trigger.

To me, the DA/SA is kind of like the double-action revolver. I get to use it in single action mode, I get to use it in double action mode. Best of all, after I fire the first shot, it has a wonderfully light and crisp trigger pull.

I can load a round in the chamber and lower the hammer, so it's not possible for the pistol to accidentally fire.

Some people tell me that the DA/SA is too complicated. Of the people I've met that say that, the vast majority were not raised shooting revolvers. To me, it couldn't be simpler. I point the gun at the target, flick the safety, and squeeze the trigger until it goes bang.

People tell me that they are concerned that a safety is an extra step and that in the heat of combat they might forget what to do. I tell them that all of my semi-auto pistols have safeties, and that I always have to disengage the safety, so I do it. I have practiced the manual of arms sufficiently so that instinctively I do what it needed.

I want to interject here that I'm not a fan of the concept of "carry gun rotation" or changing one's carry weapon as though it is a fashion accessory or a clothing choice. For the most part, I prefer to carry one pistol all the time. It is the one with which I am most proficient. If I cannot carry it, I have a smaller pistol that is smaller, more concealable and therefore has more conceal options.

Therefore, I do not have to remember, "Oh is this how it works?" All my pistols work the same.

I'm sorry that S&W discontinued their DA/SA semi-auto pistols (39/59 Series). I think they could have become awesome.

I really don't understand why would anyone put a loaded pistol in their pants that doesn't have a safety on it. If you think that the trigger safety on a Glock is good enough, read some of the accident recounts of Glock people who shot themselves in the leg. One of them was a Top Shot TV series finalist and a former Federal Air Marshal.

Read the report of the US Air pilot accident, an FAA "Flight Deck Officer," with a special Glock chosen by the FAA exclusively for the armed pilot program. His Glock trigger became caught on the seatbelt and discharged in the cockpit.

Why do Glock people like the grip? It's a European slant, like a Luger. Maybe Europeans have different wrists. I like the grip angle of 1911-s, HiPower-s, Beretta 92 series (Vertec), CZ-75, etc. The grip angle on S&W striker pistols is also the same angle, around 18°, unlike the Glock 22° slant.

Striker-fired pistol triggers seem like staple guns to me. A 1911 trigger, in contrast, is about as good as it gets. The only striker exception for me, surprisingly, is my new S&W Bodyguard 2.0. I purchased it because it is just about the most concealable, yet practical, pistol that I can find (and it has a safety). But my S&W J-frame Model 60 gives me more confidence.

By the way, S&W makes a really nice 1911. I noticed that they now make some of their striker-fired pistols in metal. Seems like, let's "Make S&W Great Again!"
 
As a LEO firearms instructor I've taught dozens and dozens of LEOs how to effectively shoot Glocks. Not all Glocks are alike, there are some models I really like and other models not so much, that's why Glock makes different models. I'm a big fan of the G19 and G23.

Just like you have to learn to shoot double action revolvers or 1911's, you have to learn to shoot Glocks. I have enough range time to say I can shoot most double action revolvers, 1911s, and Glocks quite well. I happen to like the Glock stock trigger and grip angle. I like that they do not have a thumb safety. I'm okay with their no nonsense profile and can shoot both with or without finger grooves equally well.

In my opinion, those who think Glocks are unsafe are those who have not been adequately trained with them. That being the case, it would probably serve them well not to shoot Glocks, but frankly, there are those who probably shouldn't handle 1911's either without adequate familiarization. What I don't get are Glock haters, with little to zero experience with them, who are so emotional about it.

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Nope. I don't understand Glock people. I just don't get it.

I'm a DA/SA guy. I like pistols that have hammers that you can see. More flexible. Safer.

Perhaps we shooters who are wedded to DA/SA weapon systems are people who were raised on revolvers.

Here's my take on it. First, there was the single-action revolver. Along came Smith & Wesson, and they invented a revolver that could be cocked and fired with the movement of the trigger only, the double-action.

John Moses Browning's 1911 and his other semi-auto pistols made the semi-auto ubiquitous. However, you had to rack the slide or cock the hammer to fire it. Many of us revolver shooters thought, wouldn't it be great to have a semi-auto pistol that we could fire like we do our double-action revolver?

There's some argument about who made the first DA/SA, but the Walther P-38 often gets the nod. With a DA/SA, all you need to do is pull the trigger.

To me, the DA/SA is kind of like the double-action revolver. I get to use it in single action mode, I get to use it in double action mode. Best of all, after I fire the first shot, it has a wonderfully light and crisp trigger pull.

I can load a round in the chamber and lower the hammer, so it's not possible for the pistol to accidentally fire.

Some people tell me that the DA/SA is too complicated. Of the people I've met that say that, the vast majority were not raised shooting revolvers. To me, it couldn't be simpler. I point the gun at the target, flick the safety, and squeeze the trigger until it goes bang.

People tell me that they are concerned that a safety is an extra step and that in the heat of combat they might forget what to do. I tell them that all of my semi-auto pistols have safeties, and that I always have to disengage the safety, so I do it. I have practiced the manual of arms sufficiently so that instinctively I do what it needed.

I want to interject here that I'm not a fan of the concept of "carry gun rotation" or changing one's carry weapon as though it is a fashion accessory or a clothing choice. For the most part, I prefer to carry one pistol all the time. It is the one with which I am most proficient. If I cannot carry it, I have a smaller pistol that is smaller, more concealable and therefore has more conceal options.

Therefore, I do not have to remember, "Oh is this how it works?" All my pistols work the same.

I'm sorry that S&W discontinued their DA/SA semi-auto pistols (39/59 Series). I think they could have become awesome.

I really don't understand why would anyone put a loaded pistol in their pants that doesn't have a safety on it. If you think that the trigger safety on a Glock is good enough, read some of the accident recounts of Glock people who shot themselves in the leg. One of them was a Top Shot TV series finalist and a former Federal Air Marshal.

Read the report of the US Air pilot accident, an FAA "Flight Deck Officer," with a special Glock chosen by the FAA exclusively for the armed pilot program. His Glock trigger became caught on the seatbelt and discharged in the cockpit.

Why do Glock people like the grip? It's a European slant, like a Luger. Maybe Europeans have different wrists. I like the grip angle of 1911-s, HiPower-s, Beretta 92 series (Vertec), CZ-75, etc. The grip angle on S&W striker pistols is also the same angle, around 18°, unlike the Glock 22° slant.

Striker-fired pistol triggers seem like staple guns to me. A 1911 trigger, in contrast, is about as good as it gets. The only striker exception for me, surprisingly, is my new S&W Bodyguard 2.0. I purchased it because it is just about the most concealable, yet practical, pistol that I can find (and it has a safety). But my S&W J-frame Model 60 gives me more confidence.

By the way, S&W makes a really nice 1911. I noticed that they now make some of their striker-fired pistols in metal. Seems like, let's "Make S&W Great Again!"

That's a long post about what other people say.
 
I like S&W revolvers, Baer 1911s and Glocks :D

I have a 2016 19M contract pistol that the cs guy I talked to at Glock said was an “agency contract” pistol returned unfired, had a red label slapped on the box and released to the commercial market. He wouldn’t say what agency it came from. Fantastic pistol but I like my early gen 5 17 blue label better.
 
My favorite quote I read about Glocks went something like this: "I've got guns that I show my friends. I'd show my enemies my glock."

Does anyone else have a soft spot in their hear for Glocks?

I bought my first Tupperware in the mid 1990s. It was a Gen2 G17, I still have it.
Before that I had several S&W revolvers and a GP35/HP
I fell in love with Gaston's Tupperware and bought more, Now I have a G17, G21, G23 and G26.

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The G17 have now a Gen 3 frame and slide. The barrel is the original Gen2
The original slide broke 5 years ago.
It has fired tens and tens of thousands of rounds, many even powerful ones intended for the SuomiKP, which were available cheaply in the 1990s.
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I could have gotten a new slide from the factory with the original serial number, but I couldn't wait 3 months with out Tupperware.

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CCW hasn't been allowed here since 1998, so the G26 is also only IDPA use.
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I like Tupperware, but I prefer to shoot at the range with S&W revolvers or 5906
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