Any opinions on the Walther Colt 1911 Gold Cup 22lr?

[pawngal]

There is one on a local live auction this weekend. Any likes, dislikes, issues to look out for?
I realize it will be a heavy gun compared to other 22 semi autos but that doesn't bother me.

There is also a Ruger Mark III, I recall that is the least desirable of the Mark series. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[wetdog1911]

IDK anything about this Model. Is it a real Colt, like the ACE or SM Ace that is built on a 1911 frame, or, a dedicated .22 LR from the frame up, that is a 1911 look-alike, but the parts don't interchange?

My SM ACE has target sights, but is certainly not in GC terratory accuracy wise. But, swapping out the top end takes you from .22 LR to .45 ACP in about 3 min, or, back again.

I really have no idea, sorry.

Rob

 

[wetdog1911]

DOH!!!

Read the title a bit closer, Rob!

Saw the 'Walther' bit and realized it's a copy. Still, no information though.

Rob

 

[dmthomp32]

I believe the Colt 1911 .22 is produced by Umarex a subsidiary of Walther. I've never shot one but I've read fairly good reviews. The message across the board for most of these full size 1911 .22's is they all operate pretty well with fast high quality ammo like CCI Mini Mags. They will run with other ammo types obviously but you tend to see more issues with lower speed ammo, I'd say this applies the Colt, Sig & GSG, Kimber Rimfire (which is what I have), etc. They are fun guns, I've shot the sig version made by GSG that my friend owns. It ran well and was accurate after breaking in and again running higher speed ammo. My Kimber has always run with mini mags and I've been breaking it in and polishing internals to where it now is becoming more reliable with standard velocity ammo. A lot of these .22's don't get the same level of assembly love so working the slide, a little lapping, etc may be what it takes to get them functioning properly or just shoot the snot out of them, rinse and repeat until it behaves like you want it too. The last thing I'll add that I've noticed with my Kimber is KEEP EVERY PART OF YOUR HANDS FROM TOUCHING OR RUBBING THE SLIDE DURING SHOOTING! Any contact with my thumb riding a safety can slow down the slide just enough to not fully eject or pick up the next round. It's annoying because I can't use the same high grip I do on my carry and defense guns or ride the safety but it makes a huge difference in reliability.

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[824tsv]

Walther/Colt Gold Cup Trophy

Manufactured by Walther in Germany and imported by Umarex. I purchased mine new in 2012. It's the best firearms purchase VS fun for the money that I've made. I have easily 20K through mine and it's always in my range bag. All the fire control and safety parts are interchangeable with aftermarket 1911 parts. Mine is quite accurate but I changed the front sight for a fibre optic from Dawson and I've had the trigger done and added a couple of parts to make shooting it more user friendly for me. Mine runs standard velocity ammunition just fine. In my opinion they make excellent plinkers. The folks that say they are no good are the ones who've never shot or handled one. I'd buy another one.

 

[AManWearingAHat]

If it is an Umarex, they are fun inexpensive firearms. You may have a hang up here or there, but I don't think the money would be poorly spent. I wouldn't go much over 300 for one.

The Mk 3's are also excellent pistols, the only reason I can think of as to why they're less desirable is because they're still made.

 

[4barrel]

Manufactured by Walther in Germany and imported by Umarex. I purchased mine new in 2012. It's the best firearms purchase VS fun for the money that I've made. I have easily 20K through mine and it's always in my range bag. All the fire control and safety parts are interchangeable with aftermarket 1911 parts. Mine is quite accurate but I changed the front sight for a fibre optic from Dawson and I've had the trigger done and added a couple of parts to make shooting it more user friendly for me. Mine runs standard velocity ammunition just fine. In my opinion they make excellent plinkers. The folks that say they are no good are the ones who've never shot or handled one. I'd buy another one.

Will your Clark magazine fit? I noticed they were making them for $85.

 

[824tsv]

"Will your Clark magazine fit? I noticed they were making them for $85."
No, the magazines are proprietary.

 

[GaryHK]

Zinc alloy frame and light aluminum slide. That's a no for me.

 

[Protocall_Design]

The Ruger MKIII is undesirable because the plastic loaded chamber indicator on the left side gets full of gunk and makes the gun unreliable. The MKII and MKIV are the best ones, I think. I have had MK 1,2, and 3 and shot MK 4. Everyone has their own opinion.

 

[robvious]

I have a Colt Umarex Walther Gold Cup 1911..
it is a fun plinker... not nearly as accurate as my Marvel conversion, but more accurate than my Sig or Ceiner conversions... I think they are worth the investment as long as fun is the motivation...

as a point of correction... Umarex owns Walther

 

[pawngal]

Thanks for the input. Just looking for something different in a 22lr. Will be interesting to see how the auction goes. First live auction locally with guns in a year. In the past I've gotten some really good buys and have overpaid for one I really wanted (M66 no dash from my home town PD)
I will update with some of the auction prices Sunday evening.

 

[robvious]

Good luck at the auction.. keep emotions out if you can.. I can't usually

 

[pawngal]

Good luck at the auction.. keep emotions out if you can.. I can't usually

Over the years I've purchased 50+ guns at local auctions, the only time that emotion took over was the above mentioned M66 so I'm good there. My best buy was a like new Ruger Blackhawk Stainless in .327 Fed Mag. Paid $430.

 

[boatbum101]

FWIW the Ruger MK of any vintage are robust , will feed & function with just about any 22LR , usually fairly accurate & with some trigger work have taken more than one Bullseye shooter to Master class . I have a MKI std taper barrel & a MKII 5 1/2" HB Target . The MKI & II are less work to get a good trigger .

 

[Vulcan Bob]

Have one. Reliable yes, accurate not really, it is a good plinker.

 

[BloodyThumb]

I have a copy of the Walther / Umarex / Colt Gold Cups. I agree with most said above. Mine runs fine with CCI and most of the better brands of ammo, even the bulk Remington Golden Bullet stuff. There is nothing that interchanges with a true 1911, not anything of consequence anyway. The mags are proprietary and do not even resemble an Ace mag.

I also have a couple of true 1911's with the old floating chamber conversion units. They run well under good conditions. Very clean, very good consistent full power ammo.

I also have an old Ciener aluminum slide conversion unit. It runs well on true spec frames, not so well on higher end frames from custom or at least "tuned" 1911's that have had slide / frame tightening done.

I use the Walther / Umarex for absolute new shooters to give them some hands on with the SA manual of arms. I don't have any experience with any other examples of that version, but it has been a very good investment for me and a couple extra mags was not that expensive at the time. I have no idea how many rounds I have on this one, but is in the "many thousand" arena.

 

[pawngal]

Here is a run down of some of the sale prices at the auction today. As with all local auctions here, there is no buyer's premium added to the sale price.
I didn't get what I wanted...
All of the guns were in very good to NIB.

$490 Kahr Lazer Max 40
$500 Ruger New Model Single -Six both cylinders
$360 ThunderStruck VolleyFire 333 22mag
$500 Walther Colt 1911 Gold Cup 22
$450 Browning Buckmark Camper Target
$600 Ruger Mark III Target
$185 High Point C9
$475 Sig Mosquito 22

Some of the long guns:
$1200 Ruger Mini-14 stainless 5.56
$1100 Ruger Ranch Stainless 5.56
$500 Ithaca Model 37 20ga Featherweight
$390 Browning BPS 20ga
$1000 Browning 12ga Citori
$275 Remington Model 11
$250 Savage AXIS .223 (I bought)
$260 Savage 93R17 17HMR (I bought)

I bought some 22lr, 17hmr, and 38 spl for less than current online prices.
But the .223 ammo!!! RE-manufactured, 50 rd boxes, $60-70 per box.
Those are available locally most all of the time for 70-80 cents per round, new mfg.

Only bargains were the 2 Browning shotguns I listed, most prices were right in line with new price or GB sold prices.

 

[pawngal]

But the bright point of the auction is 10 duck & goose calls that I bought for $91.00. I know I can more than double my money selling them on eBay.
Learned a lot about calls when I was selling hundreds of them from my late hubby's collection.