Any update on Appleseed ban?
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Never been to an "Appleseed" event, but excess shooters does not sound like much fun. I live in 10 acres (330' x 1330') out in the country with corn field to the West and South of me, and forest to the east of me. I enjoy shooting in the back yard were the majority of the "free space" is. Range is open 24/7
What differences would there be in the standards "Sport" model and the "Performance Center" model for probabilities of OOB ? It's a rimfire and the mere stripping out of the magazine with enough resistance (not getting in the chamber) would be enough for the primer to detonate. Any .22 lr semi auto could be prone to the same issues.
I'll have to Google "Appleseed" some time and see what it's all about.
What differences would there be in the standards "Sport" model and the "Performance Center" model for probabilities of OOB ? It's a rimfire and the mere stripping out of the magazine with enough resistance (not getting in the chamber) would be enough for the primer to detonate. Any .22 lr semi auto could be prone to the same issues.
I'll have to Google "Appleseed" some time and see what it's all about.
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https://mississippiapples.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/banner4.jpg
Does this look like something you want to do? It was copied from Project Appleseeds web site. Before someone says they just got the shooters together for a pic look at the downrange target spacing. I call putting shooters on the line like this stupid at best.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/139256490-post90.html
Rob1
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I have to say, with regards to rimfire and OOBs, it happens.
I have had one in a service rifle I was using (SLR) in 7.62 in the late 80s, with a Heckler Koch conversion kit down to .22..
Blew the side out of the rifle and basically trashed it be beyond repair, much to the dismay of the armourer on duty.
Fast forward to last year or so and watching the very funny Doomsday Preppers on Discovery Channel and one of the guys there, who was demonstrating how he and his son practice takedown drills with a .22, as a point to note a Ruger 10-22,
He very successfully managed to blow the end of his thumb off with his OOB,
That was ON Camera and Broadcast for all to see,
Though I guess it wouldn't warrant a withdrawal of the 10-22 from use, as it had NOT been worked on by an, and I use this word loosely, "Instructor " so I guess it failed to qualify for Appleseed attention.
OOBs happen. FTF happen. FTE happen. It's part of the cycle of using 22s. For crying out loud. Appleseed, accept it and move on!!
Rob.
I have had one in a service rifle I was using (SLR) in 7.62 in the late 80s, with a Heckler Koch conversion kit down to .22..
Blew the side out of the rifle and basically trashed it be beyond repair, much to the dismay of the armourer on duty.
Fast forward to last year or so and watching the very funny Doomsday Preppers on Discovery Channel and one of the guys there, who was demonstrating how he and his son practice takedown drills with a .22, as a point to note a Ruger 10-22,
He very successfully managed to blow the end of his thumb off with his OOB,
That was ON Camera and Broadcast for all to see,
Though I guess it wouldn't warrant a withdrawal of the 10-22 from use, as it had NOT been worked on by an, and I use this word loosely, "Instructor " so I guess it failed to qualify for Appleseed attention.
OOBs happen. FTF happen. FTE happen. It's part of the cycle of using 22s. For crying out loud. Appleseed, accept it and move on!!
Rob.
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CrazyFingers
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It looks like best-case, you're taking a brass bath all afternoon. Worst case, you're directly in the line of fire for any malfunction.
Gonna take a pass on that.
GhostMutt
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Rule of thumb for all those who attend....
GET THERE FIRST!
Get on the far left target...you'll have a great time.
For the rest of you, second and third et al...well that's why you have to sign a liability waiver
I wonder where the shills are? Maybe they know what is going on with the ban?
GET THERE FIRST!
Get on the far left target...you'll have a great time.
For the rest of you, second and third et al...well that's why you have to sign a liability waiver
I wonder where the shills are? Maybe they know what is going on with the ban?
I've seen ranges that tight in the military before. Wouldn't want to be eating that brass though. Had too much of that before.
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The shooters prayer: "Oh Lord, spare us from 'helpful' folks at the range."
Blame the (any) other guy is a standard response to anything that results in an injury.
About drilling polymer, you're supposed to use spade type drill bits. Otherwise the size of the hole is only remotely related to the size of the drill bit. Heat build up can be a problem in other materials too if you're going for precision.
Blame the (any) other guy is a standard response to anything that results in an injury.
About drilling polymer, you're supposed to use spade type drill bits. Otherwise the size of the hole is only remotely related to the size of the drill bit. Heat build up can be a problem in other materials too if you're going for precision.
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cyphertext
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I went looking for an update on the Appleseed forums. All I found was that S&W was in discussion with Appleseed for about two weeks and then nothing. Appleseed claims that S&W has not replied to emails and when discussing with company representatives, all they say is no comment. Appleseed states that if S&W would just state that there is no design flaw and the firearm is safe, they would return them to the line.
So, basically, nothing has happened on this in the past 8 months!
So, basically, nothing has happened on this in the past 8 months!
cjt50
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The ban will never be lifted; Appleseed will never admit they over reacted and S&W will never respond to them.......
Owell....
Owell....
cyphertext
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I believe you are right.
Rob1
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cyphertext
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Well, I just was banned from the Appleseed project forums... guess they didn't like me questioning their decision.
tomcatt51
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I went to their forum and read the thread. Whole lotta rationalizing goin' on.
It can't possibly be a problem that Project Appleseed stacks shooters with semi-autos on the firing line elbow to elbow.
The gun owner can't possibly be responsible for the condition or operation of their gun.
It can't possibly be Project Appleseeds fault, or the fault of the Project Appleseed "instructor", when a 15-22 goes full auto after their "instructor" "works" on it.
Guess that leaves S&W to point their finger at. It's all THEIR fault.
cyphertext
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Yep. I'll give them that it is not their fault the rifle had an OOB detonation. However, if there was more space on their lines, the injury would be less likely to occur. Rugers and Marlins can do it to!
I'll also concede the point that S&W didn't do a recall when switching from yellow to blue springs... however it has been widely circulated on the 'net, so if the issue occurred with the yellow springs, send it in, get them replaced. Problem solved.
I also thought my point about the fire control group being correctly installed was valid. If an AS instructor is going to "hammer the pins back in place", shouldn't he at least try to figure out why they walked in the first place? Of course it is S&W's responsibility to install them correctly the first time, but we know folks pull out triggers and polish stuff all the time!
They say the issue is closed as far as they are concerned, therefore I do not see this as a "temporary restriction"... it is a full ban.
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