The guy from Sparta has been making fake stuff in the Colt world for some time now and has definitely ventured into other brands. I am much more experienced with Colts than Smiths. I was searching on GB as I am looking to expand more into collecting Smiths (I have some but probably 10-1 Colts) and I found this. I really prefer to collect guns with boxes and saw this one. I realize I may be leading in the way I am about to phrase the next question, but does anybody believe this is authentic. The listing also states "I bought this gun new 30 years ago.... etc etc"
Anybody think this is real
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Hello g27, I have seen and owned 30 year old boxes that clean.
The label is not square and has a small bend on the right bottom corner. Plus some fraying on the edges of the box. This is a tough call from one pic. Without the box in my hands with a glass and light, I would not venture to give you an opinion. This "box guy" has caused quite a lot of concern. Just keep educating yourself. Best.
The label is not square and has a small bend on the right bottom corner. Plus some fraying on the edges of the box. This is a tough call from one pic. Without the box in my hands with a glass and light, I would not venture to give you an opinion. This "box guy" has caused quite a lot of concern. Just keep educating yourself. Best.
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The gun and box look good to me. The seller is not the gentleman from Sparta so basically you are asking if the box could be real.
Ask Doc44 if he has any boxes that look that good after 30 years and I would bet the answer is YES.
Ask Doc44 if he has any boxes that look that good after 30 years and I would bet the answer is YES.
A 29-2 shipped in 77 or 78 would not have come in a blue cardboard box, but in a presentation case with a cardboard shipper. Also, the finish box would be BT for bright blue not B, the stock box would have a T for target stocks, the front sight would be RR for red ramp and the rear sight wo for white outline would be checked. The INS and PKR boxes would also be filled in. The Parts and Instruction sheet are pre-Bangor Punta and show a 44 Magnum with coke bottle stocks (much earlier than 77/78).
The box and label are not original [to make a long story short(er)] and the package is put together with components of various ages.
The photo below shows shows how a 29-2 would have been packaged from the early 60s through 1978. The revolver and accessories are in the case which is in the cardboard shipper. Note the absence of a blue box. Also, the rear sight box says wo and is checked.
Bill
The box and label are not original [to make a long story short(er)] and the package is put together with components of various ages.
The photo below shows shows how a 29-2 would have been packaged from the early 60s through 1978. The revolver and accessories are in the case which is in the cardboard shipper. Note the absence of a blue box. Also, the rear sight box says wo and is checked.
Bill
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Hello Bill, I bow to your comment. Sounds totally logical. Thank Goodnees I did not commit. Still learning in fields I have limited knowledge in. Best.
SAFireman
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Looks bogus to me......but then, what do I know?
samandglove1
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This information from Bill is one of the many reasons that make this forum so great. Where else can you go and get a precise answer to a specific question from a true subject matter expert?
A 29-2 shipped in 77 or 78 would not have come in a blue cardboard box, but in a presentation case with a cardboard shipper. Also, the finish box would be BT for bright blue not B, the stock box would have a T for target stocks, the front sight would be RR for red ramp and the rear sight wo for white outline would be checked. The INS and PKR boxes would also be filled in. The Parts and Instruction sheet are pre-Bangor Punta and show a 44 Magnum with coke bottle stocks (much earlier than 77/78).
The box and label are not original [to make a long story short(er)] and the package is put together with components of various ages.
The photo below shows shows how a 29-2 would have been packaged from the early 60s through 1978. The revolver and accessories are in the case which is in the cardboard shipper. Note the absence of a blue box. Also, the rear sight box says wo and is checked.
Bill
A 29-2 shipped in 77 or 78 would not have come in a blue cardboard box, but in a presentation case with a cardboard shipper. Also, the finish box would be BT for bright blue not B, the stock box would have a T for target stocks, the front sight would be RR for red ramp and the rear sight wo for white outline would be checked. The INS and PKR boxes would also be filled in. The Parts and Instruction sheet are pre-Bangor Punta and show a 44 Magnum with coke bottle stocks (much earlier than 77/78).
The box and label are not original [to make a long story short(er)] and the package is put together with components of various ages.
The photo below shows shows how a 29-2 would have been packaged from the early 60s through 1978. The revolver and accessories are in the case which is in the cardboard shipper. Note the absence of a blue box. Also, the rear sight box says wo and is checked.
Bill
Thank you for your post. I have a blue 4 in. in a wood box and the cardboard box is like yours except it has "BT" and "4". Now I know for sure why it didn't have a regular cardboard box. Larry
VPI paper isn't correct either
Without any intentions of stepping into someone's "safe place" I think the label is a fake. The first thing that struck me was the felt tip marker appearance of the writing. Finer tip felt markers were not produced until the 1970's and, if I recall correctly, weren't significantly commonly used (as compared to ball point pens) until many years later, especially in permanent ink. I do not recall seeing a S&W end label of this purported vintage with felt tip writing on it.
The second thing that struck me was the end label looked a bit naked ...... the paucity of fields filled in......for example no T in the stock field. This lack of information on the end label has already been described in detail by Doc44.
Man .... it's really mushy stepping into the "safe place" and now my shoes stink.
The second thing that struck me was the end label looked a bit naked ...... the paucity of fields filled in......for example no T in the stock field. This lack of information on the end label has already been described in detail by Doc44.
The owner may have bought the gun new 30 years ago but I'd guesstimate he slapped that fake label on within the past 10 years?????g27racing said:
Man .... it's really mushy stepping into the "safe place" and now my shoes stink.
Lots of interesting factual and historical info here, aside from all that, one simple observation - whenever that box in the picture was sold, the label would have been on the lid, therefor, it is upside down in that photo.
Hello Doc44, refresh my memory. Back in the 1970s. I seem to remember receiving S&Ws from the local distributor. All brand new from the factory. Were guns with a presentation box shipped separately in a plain blue box? I seem to remember that the wooden box was empty of a gun. Just on the N frames and the MOD.19 commeratives. I seem to remember the Texas Ranger 19s with the matching knife came in their own blue box box? Am I remembering correctly? Best
Mike...You are correct about the Texas Ranger revolvers (as I remember). I have never seen a blue cardboard box associated with a Model 29-2 until 1979 when the presentation case with the revolver pointing to the right was introduced.
Bill
Bill
Bill, thanks. Im looking at 70, so periods of time back at the shop can and do get foggy. I remember the wooden boxes were shipped in that cardboard cover. And OH, if the gun had been ordered, the new owner did not want it opened. So if it was paid for up front, it did not get opened. Just the way it was. Best
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Herb686
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My 29-2 (built 1971), same barrel, came in a presentation case, SN N633xx. Label on cardboard shipping box per above.
italiansport
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Just for the record:
I have the S&W Model 39 my wife bought me as a Christmas present back in 1974. It's still in it's original box which looks brand new.
Jim
I have the S&W Model 39 my wife bought me as a Christmas present back in 1974. It's still in it's original box which looks brand new.
Jim
Real ???? Maroon M&P box
Go to Ebay if you want to see his Maroon M&P box. The only way that the label on an 80 year old box would look like that is if it were sealed in argon gas and buried 600 feet down in a dark atmospheric free chamber. "Buy It Now" at $225. I sure hoped he wouldn't get into the Smith & Wesson field, but Oh well.
Go to Ebay if you want to see his Maroon M&P box. The only way that the label on an 80 year old box would look like that is if it were sealed in argon gas and buried 600 feet down in a dark atmospheric free chamber. "Buy It Now" at $225. I sure hoped he wouldn't get into the Smith & Wesson field, but Oh well.
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