Ribwizzard
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Please note how many times that darn lock everyone is so uptight about turns itself on, as well.
Anyone done a 2000 round challenge w/ a new S&W revolver?
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I have a no dash kit gun I purchased a year ago that wouldn't make it through 50 rounds before extraction and loading would become almost impossible. I have a 45 Colt Mountain Gun and a Bisley whose bores would probably go an infinite # of rounds with standard velocity handloads and no cleaning, they kind of clean themselves. Now the case rims would start dragging through soot buildup on the recoil shield way before that. I'm assuming the OP will end the test if problems show up? I would think 1K magnums would abuse the shooter more than the gun!
ABPOS
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It is my understanding that a revolver probably needs a bit more care to cleaning to keep it running than an auto. I don't really have a problem with this. Revolvers are way easier to clean anyways..
I'm not an obsessive cleaner. I will shoot my guns quite a bit before cleaning. But I pretty much clean my revolvers more than my AR's and Autos. The cylinder gap may be a bit more.... not as robust as an AR or say a Glock / Beretta / whatever you wanna put in there for crud build up.
If it works for you, go for it. But I don't feel the need to prove a revolver can get as dirty as an auto and still run. I can't see myself ever NEEDING to shoot a high round count in between cleanings.
I'm not an obsessive cleaner. I will shoot my guns quite a bit before cleaning. But I pretty much clean my revolvers more than my AR's and Autos. The cylinder gap may be a bit more.... not as robust as an AR or say a Glock / Beretta / whatever you wanna put in there for crud build up.
If it works for you, go for it. But I don't feel the need to prove a revolver can get as dirty as an auto and still run. I can't see myself ever NEEDING to shoot a high round count in between cleanings.
Chief Wiggums
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I'm gonna do it...... !
Right after I complete a similar challenge w my car and not changing the oil
Right after I complete a similar challenge w my car and not changing the oil
There is a member on the Sigforum that has fired 20,000 rounds out of a P229. An interesting story if you have time. As for 2,000 out of a 629, I am too old to try that.
MJFlores
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I'm not sure this is really a test. A test is usually looking for an end measurable...and I dont see this doing that. To the OP, it's your gun and time so I would say, do it if you want. In the end, I'm not sure it proves anything. I would think that extraction and cylinder opening and closing will start to get tough but...would it be the round count or simply the powder used? Or even bullet type, external temperature, etc. Know what I mean? I just think this is just a waste of ammo because at the end you can draw any real conclusion. Just my opinion. If you do decide to do it, post stats and results here. As for total round count, my 2014 629 has well over 2000 rounds through it without issue. I do clean it after each range session, which is typically 50 to 100 rounds. I also usually need to tighten the grip screw just a bit.
My concern is that 2000 round you won’t be just shooting 6 rounds here or there. Just don’t get your barrel to hot.
Also goes without saying keep an eye on it. Spend a he or 2 just playing with learning how much play you have in parts how freely the cylinder spins ect.
Also goes without saying keep an eye on it. Spend a he or 2 just playing with learning how much play you have in parts how freely the cylinder spins ect.
Just seems utterly pointless and frankly ridiculous to me.
So tell me, just what would you be trying to achieve with such a test on that kind of firearm?? To see if it will fail before you maintain the gun after firing 2000 rounds of ammunition? Why?? Do you ever plan on shooting 2000 rounds before cleaning it again? No? Then what is this “challenge” possibly hoping to achieve?
The one, and only, place such a test could ever have any value would be for a military semi-automatic handgun. Even then, the likelihood of a soldier 1) firing 2K rounds of ammo from his pistol during a battle and 2) not having at least a minute or two to field strip the gun, wipe it down, and oil it are just not realistic even in that use.
So go ahead and do your challenge if you please. If the gun makes it, congrats but nobody will care that it did as I can’t think of a single educated handgun owner be the LEO, military, or civilian, who would purposely neglect their firearm like that.
My $0.02.
So tell me, just what would you be trying to achieve with such a test on that kind of firearm?? To see if it will fail before you maintain the gun after firing 2000 rounds of ammunition? Why?? Do you ever plan on shooting 2000 rounds before cleaning it again? No? Then what is this “challenge” possibly hoping to achieve?
The one, and only, place such a test could ever have any value would be for a military semi-automatic handgun. Even then, the likelihood of a soldier 1) firing 2K rounds of ammo from his pistol during a battle and 2) not having at least a minute or two to field strip the gun, wipe it down, and oil it are just not realistic even in that use.
So go ahead and do your challenge if you please. If the gun makes it, congrats but nobody will care that it did as I can’t think of a single educated handgun owner be the LEO, military, or civilian, who would purposely neglect their firearm like that.
My $0.02.
HorizontalMike
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ACTUALLY, that IS exactly what the OP appears to be asking.
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Groo01
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Groo here
Calm down people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These are not Black Powder guns and we don't use corrosive
primmers either .[except mill spec types]
Unless you drop the gun in the dirt, sand or rocks,,, there is
NOTHING in a cartridge that will hurt the gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even the copper jackets are softer...
The only thing that can cause a problem is over pressure loads or
an INCORRECT powder type sandblasting the barrel/frame at the
BC gap.
Shooting , pistols for sure , just ain't going to do it, unless you get them HOT.
Full auto guns get shot LOTS without cleaning [yoy don't have time in a firefight] ans get HOTHOTHOT!!!!!!!!!
And they last a while.
So shooting ,with normal loads , will take many 1K rounds to do more than polish up the barrel inside.......
Calm down people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These are not Black Powder guns and we don't use corrosive
primmers either .[except mill spec types]
Unless you drop the gun in the dirt, sand or rocks,,, there is
NOTHING in a cartridge that will hurt the gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even the copper jackets are softer...
The only thing that can cause a problem is over pressure loads or
an INCORRECT powder type sandblasting the barrel/frame at the
BC gap.
Shooting , pistols for sure , just ain't going to do it, unless you get them HOT.
Full auto guns get shot LOTS without cleaning [yoy don't have time in a firefight] ans get HOTHOTHOT!!!!!!!!!
And they last a while.
So shooting ,with normal loads , will take many 1K rounds to do more than polish up the barrel inside.......
Doug M.
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My hands would likely fail first, and I would consider the potential for problems with powder under the extractor etc. to be more than theoretical, but not a major risk depending the load(s) used. The test could be interesting, but is not important to me. The cleaning fetish is somewhat disturbing - while I clean most of my guns after shooting, I am less concerned with semi-auto platforms. If one reads the manual with a Wilson Combat 1911 pistol, they are insistent that the pistol get at least 300 and preferably 500 rounds before any stripping, cleaning, etc., so that it wears in correctly as built.
A pistol that won't go 1000 rounds using quality ammo without cleaning (but with lube) is flawed, and Pat Rogers had many ARs that went many thousands of rounds without cleaning, just lubed as necessary, as part of testing. (He actually prohibited students from cleaning loaner rifles ... I had to stop someone at a class as he was getting ready to do as a result of his military background.) The last I recall, "Filthy 14" was well over 40K rounds without cleaning. He used good lube (Slip) and good ammo (Black Hills, at least mostly) and did not have problems with those rifles. This was mostly, if not entirely, with Bravo Company rifles.
A pistol that won't go 1000 rounds using quality ammo without cleaning (but with lube) is flawed, and Pat Rogers had many ARs that went many thousands of rounds without cleaning, just lubed as necessary, as part of testing. (He actually prohibited students from cleaning loaner rifles ... I had to stop someone at a class as he was getting ready to do as a result of his military background.) The last I recall, "Filthy 14" was well over 40K rounds without cleaning. He used good lube (Slip) and good ammo (Black Hills, at least mostly) and did not have problems with those rifles. This was mostly, if not entirely, with Bravo Company rifles.
bigggbbruce
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I used to haul rental cars to auction after the lease was done. Many times I would wait while they put a new oil filter on a 1 year old car with 25,000 miles on it and never having the oil changed. Filter was to make it look like it was serviced..My suggestion "Don't buy a rental return"
Lou_the_welder
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Wow. Awesome thread I totally missed. Had problems logging in.
Um. Yeah! 2k rounds isnt a torture test! No where near a test! 2k rounds is what, me shooting at the range 3 or 4 times? Even with one gun? I think 10k is more like it. And it'll probably survive.
Btw. Something like 3k rounds where I had problems opening the cylinder on a 629-6 6". The insides were horribly gummed up. It was in a thread somewhere.
I haven't read the whole thread and missed alot. But, if the "consensus " was that its negligence in some way. What are guns? Tools right? At the shop, I kept lotsa tools! All gummy and mucked up sometimes. The best tools! Ha! [emoji1783]
Isnt pouring oil on a gun before shooting it, cleaning it?
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Um. Yeah! 2k rounds isnt a torture test! No where near a test! 2k rounds is what, me shooting at the range 3 or 4 times? Even with one gun? I think 10k is more like it. And it'll probably survive.
Btw. Something like 3k rounds where I had problems opening the cylinder on a 629-6 6". The insides were horribly gummed up. It was in a thread somewhere.
I haven't read the whole thread and missed alot. But, if the "consensus " was that its negligence in some way. What are guns? Tools right? At the shop, I kept lotsa tools! All gummy and mucked up sometimes. The best tools! Ha! [emoji1783]
Isnt pouring oil on a gun before shooting it, cleaning it?
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Well my 629 only made it about 400 rounds in before there was a "problem". The cylinder release was falling off. Of course I researched the issue on this forum and tried fingernail polish, which would hold the cylinder release screw under .44 special recoil, but .44 magnums loosened it again in short order.
Since I was going to have to remove the cylinder release to remove the lock anway, I went ahead and stripped the gun, cleaned it after 450 rounds, and secured the cylinder release screw with some blue loctite. Hopefully this will keep the screw from backing out under recoil. I spent most of the first 450 rounds practicing draws from the holster and speedloader reloads. I am slow and out of practice, but at ~10 yards at least I can get a consistent sub 2 second draw and hit on an A-zone after the first few hundred rounds. The reloads needs lot of work, with 10 yard reload splits at 7 seconds, would definitely like to get that under 5.
I swapped to some Pachmayr Decelerator grips on the last trip and I like the slimmer profile, since I need to work the trigger at my first finger joint with this 15 pound DA trigger. I needed a little more reach. However, the web of my strong hand was slightly bruised with the pachmayrs after my last 150 round session with half mags half specials. This didn't happen with the stock grips, so I switched back to them. Also the protruding end of the grip screw interefered with my grip occasionally. I am going to try the Hogue rubber tamer monogrip next.
With the lock deleted after cleaning:
Since I was going to have to remove the cylinder release to remove the lock anway, I went ahead and stripped the gun, cleaned it after 450 rounds, and secured the cylinder release screw with some blue loctite. Hopefully this will keep the screw from backing out under recoil. I spent most of the first 450 rounds practicing draws from the holster and speedloader reloads. I am slow and out of practice, but at ~10 yards at least I can get a consistent sub 2 second draw and hit on an A-zone after the first few hundred rounds. The reloads needs lot of work, with 10 yard reload splits at 7 seconds, would definitely like to get that under 5.
I swapped to some Pachmayr Decelerator grips on the last trip and I like the slimmer profile, since I need to work the trigger at my first finger joint with this 15 pound DA trigger. I needed a little more reach. However, the web of my strong hand was slightly bruised with the pachmayrs after my last 150 round session with half mags half specials. This didn't happen with the stock grips, so I switched back to them. Also the protruding end of the grip screw interefered with my grip occasionally. I am going to try the Hogue rubber tamer monogrip next.
With the lock deleted after cleaning:
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Lou_the_welder
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The pachs didnt work for me either!
I wouldn't consider the latch release getting loose as a failure, but your right. I suppose it is one. It's just that it has happened on at least two or three 629s often that, at the range sometimes, I would just remember to bring a screwdriver for that reason. But, I guess technically it would leave the gun inoperable if one didnt have the tools or remember.
Good luck on your quest!
The 500 grips on the 629/329s work extremely well, to the point , I wouldn't look back!
I wouldn't consider the latch release getting loose as a failure, but your right. I suppose it is one. It's just that it has happened on at least two or three 629s often that, at the range sometimes, I would just remember to bring a screwdriver for that reason. But, I guess technically it would leave the gun inoperable if one didnt have the tools or remember.
Good luck on your quest!
The 500 grips on the 629/329s work extremely well, to the point , I wouldn't look back!
gwpercle
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Do you have to hit anything or just mindlessly pull the trigger as fast as you can .
Watching the young plastic wonder 9 shooters at the range they seem to believe you don't need to hit anything.... just empty magazines one after another...they never look at the target. The winner must be the fellow who shoots the most ammo in the least amount of time... I can't figure out what the're doing...wasting ammo.
Do the ammo makers supply you with a prize for doing this 2000 round "Challenge"...they should !
Gary
Watching the young plastic wonder 9 shooters at the range they seem to believe you don't need to hit anything.... just empty magazines one after another...they never look at the target. The winner must be the fellow who shoots the most ammo in the least amount of time... I can't figure out what the're doing...wasting ammo.
Do the ammo makers supply you with a prize for doing this 2000 round "Challenge"...they should !
Gary
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I already stated several times that I am practicing holster draws and reloads on a shot timer. Also bill drills, transitions, strong hand, weal hand. The same stuff I would be doing
otherwise. You sound like a FUDD. Do you even know what a shot timer is?
I remember Skeeter Skelton doing a 5000 round "test" on a Colt LW Commander many years ago. I don't really remember the details these days, but it was interesting enough that I remember that he did it.
I don't see the sense in some "torture tests" I've seen online, or read about, but those involve soaking a gun in a bucket of mud, then freezing it, then throwing it out of a helicopter into a pool of lave.
But what you're proposing sounds like something I'd like to do if I had the time and the money.
Don't forget to have fun.
I don't see the sense in some "torture tests" I've seen online, or read about, but those involve soaking a gun in a bucket of mud, then freezing it, then throwing it out of a helicopter into a pool of lave.
But what you're proposing sounds like something I'd like to do if I had the time and the money.
Don't forget to have fun.
Lou_the_welder
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C'mon Gary. Really?
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HamHands
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I'll never make it that far without cleaning it... I just can't, not even with my AK's... much less with my Lew Horton or Mountain Back Packer S&W .44's...
I put 1500 thru my M625 and I'll tell a little about that. Every screw in the gun back out at some point or another,
the strain screw (caused light primer hits even on Federal HST's)
yoke screw... no malf, noticed it with solid trigger discipline...
cylinder release latch (caused a malf)
both side plate screws, no malf, noticed it early
Patridge front sight came out/off 3 times before I replaced it with a ramped front sight from S&W...
This gun had Zero purple loc-tite on it's screws from the factory. I bought some purple loc-tite, cleaned every screw with a degreaser and installed the screws again 1/8th past snug with 2 dabs of the Purple Loctite... never a problem again with the screws.
Stink hole problem... shooting Buffalo Bore 255grain .45Supers 5-6th cylinder in the action started to really slow up so I get her home on the bench to find out the lock was partially engaged. I snatched out the lock and installed one of Original Precision's and never again a problem in that department and is rock solid now. My brother bought it and uses it as his dedicated "Woods-Gun" with BB .45Supers...
Synopsis: New Smiths can be utterly reliable if you do a few things to ensure that from the start i.e.... put Purple Loctite on ever screw and snug em' down... I snatch the lock out as soon as I get it home. Last Friday I bought an M642 for the wifey. I immediately got it on the bench for function tests and was highly impressed at it's lock up, timing, trigger pull and reset. Of course I installed Purple Loctite on every screw to ensure they don't back out, and it doesn't have any lock. Did the same to an M629 Talo and has never malfunctioned yet with 1200 rounds. YMMV...
I put 1500 thru my M625 and I'll tell a little about that. Every screw in the gun back out at some point or another,
the strain screw (caused light primer hits even on Federal HST's)
yoke screw... no malf, noticed it with solid trigger discipline...
cylinder release latch (caused a malf)
both side plate screws, no malf, noticed it early
Patridge front sight came out/off 3 times before I replaced it with a ramped front sight from S&W...
This gun had Zero purple loc-tite on it's screws from the factory. I bought some purple loc-tite, cleaned every screw with a degreaser and installed the screws again 1/8th past snug with 2 dabs of the Purple Loctite... never a problem again with the screws.
Stink hole problem... shooting Buffalo Bore 255grain .45Supers 5-6th cylinder in the action started to really slow up so I get her home on the bench to find out the lock was partially engaged. I snatched out the lock and installed one of Original Precision's and never again a problem in that department and is rock solid now. My brother bought it and uses it as his dedicated "Woods-Gun" with BB .45Supers...
Synopsis: New Smiths can be utterly reliable if you do a few things to ensure that from the start i.e.... put Purple Loctite on ever screw and snug em' down... I snatch the lock out as soon as I get it home. Last Friday I bought an M642 for the wifey. I immediately got it on the bench for function tests and was highly impressed at it's lock up, timing, trigger pull and reset. Of course I installed Purple Loctite on every screw to ensure they don't back out, and it doesn't have any lock. Did the same to an M629 Talo and has never malfunctioned yet with 1200 rounds. YMMV...
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