Anyone else notice the irritation from Kahr owners about the shield

[Robotech]

M29since14, ... But, I'll be glad to give you two girls! They do an excellent job on cleaning guns, of course, they have a tendency to want to shoot all your ammo though.

Well, the solution to that might be to have them do ALL the reloading chores as well.

Actually, that's how I was able to shoot clays as a teenager. My cousin and my future brother-in-law had the guns, bought the clays, and the reloading supplies, and I supplied the labor putting together the ammo for all of us.

 

[M29since14]

M29since14, I am a firm believer in the fact that there are many things that are scarce around homes with teenagers. Money, food, patience.

I believe we've uncovered one of The Great Truths of the S&W Forum.

 

[DragonDoc]

Life is too short to read threads like this.

This thread is perfect for those of us stuck on staff duty . Thank God for a Thursday - Friday four day weekend .

 

[DocSunShine]

Bought a CM40, shot 100 rounds, 2 failure to feeds in that 100 and at around round 90 the follower broke on 1 of the 2 mags... I also tore lots of skin off my trigger finger. Sold it back to the store for a big loss bought the shield 40 and couldn't be happier with it. Idk what I was thinking buying the Kahr, perhaps some have had good luck but for me the difference is night and day, the Shield blows it out of the water in everyday except for the Kahr being a smidge smaller. I can pocket carry my shield in jeans although I usually get to in cargo shorts if I have to in south Florida, but prefer to IWB carry it. The Shield is the only carry fun I need!

 

[tonesurfer]

Had a CM9. Loved the trigger. Loved the size. Couldn't fix the infamous "nosedive" miss-feeds. Trimmed recoil spring after it was found to be binding on the rod. Sanded down the mag followers to cleareance the mag catch. Nothing worked. Sad day and had to let her go. Still prefer the size of the CM9 over the Shield but they have to go bang every time first.

 

[CQB60]

Interesting debate between the Kahr and Shield. As an Owner of a M&P shield in 9mm and Kahr CM9, the only thing the Kahr has going for it is its size. The shield does everything better. The Shield is a softer shooter and much more managable and its accuracy is superb. The Kahr has merits, you just have to work harder to find and appreciate them.

 

[pineappleshooter]

My main beef with the Kahr's is all the work they require right off the bat to fucntion properly. I had to sand down mag followers to get my CM9 to feed correctly and rack the slide a good 500 times (LITERALLY--I used gloves ) to break it in. After that it worked great but it always left a sour taste in my mouth since I'm used to running Glocks and M&P's that have been rock solid from the first mag to 3-5,000 rounds and require no "fluff and buff".

Sorry you had problems. I took my PM9 from the counter where I bought it straight to the indoor range in back and proceeded to run 300 rounds through it as fast as I could stuff the mags. I have since put 700 more rounds through it and it has been flawless. I pocket carry it and love it to death. I handled a Shield and it is a fine looking and feeling gun - just too big for what I use my PM9 for. If I want to belt carry a single stack 9 I will use my 3913LS.

 

[PastureOfMuppets]

The lunacy of brand fanatics.

The Kahr pm/cm is a great gun if that's what you want, so's the Shield.

So often it's that investment people make that they want to justify to others as well as themselves...

I like Smiths more than any other gun maker right now, but it's just a company and I have no loyalty just because I bought a product or ten.

 

[Ron AZ]

Kahrs, Smith, Glocks, and Ruger owner here. I have not sensed a lot of vindictiveness yet on the Kahr forum. There are some that are pretty opinionated … that does not happen here, right?

I started down the path on centerfire handguns at a time when it was "what can you get your hands on". Being a long time hunter and rifle shooter and liking crisp 2-2 1/2 # triggers, the Glocks I started with got trigger work to get them smoother in the 4.5# range. Still shoot them well and they always go bang.

But after getting CC, I found that the Glock compact and subcompact are not all that concealable ON ME/MY SIZE. So got a used PM9 and PM40 and a couple of P380's. The PM9 has been flawless and turned into my main CCW. The P380's took some work. Kahr stood behind them and now they are humming smoothly. They are a good true front pants pocket gun. I recognize the limitations of the sharp angle feed ramp on this small gun.

I shot the PM40 well enough too. But I sold the PM40 since my wife does not like the PM9 or any of the Kahrs (sticking with her G26) and I like the 9mm better in that size gun.

S&W came out with the CORE. So I had to have one. And I like it … I like the ergonomics of the M&P and shoot it well. So maybe I will try the M&P Shield, or a 9c. Maybe there is something better than my favorite CCW. But the 5 oz heavier weight and size on the Shield vs. PM9 is not insignificant to me. On the CORE the trigger is good … but I also wonder how much better it could be with the Apex kit?

What's my point? For me, it has been a journey that is continuing. No one manufacturer has a monopoly on all the answers. There are pluses and minuses for all. I've learned to like and shoot well all of them that I've owned. Reliability (with patience to get there), hand fit, shooting well, and size, weight, and concealability are all important. So I read all of the comments and complaints and they are helpful but figure out what applies to me. Sorry for the length of this post.

 

[hardluk1]

We own 3 kahrs and 3 m&p's along with others . You closed minded die hard m&p guys are at the top of your whinny page too. Just another page and no difefrent than any close minded brand guy . Reading some of you m&p brand defenders is NO different from what your read of kahr defenders, 1911 , sig , or, or , ,,,

Maybe with time you will own many different brands and then you will decide all of them are just fine after all. Go to any brand forum and you can find the die hard "mine is best" guy there too.

Lets see what handguns we own and enjoy-
colt, ruger , dan wesson , bersa , kahr , s&w , taurus , ria and remington for handgun brands .

Ain't a bad one in the bunch and some brands cover 3 or 4 of each and I would trust all of them to defend my life with . Some of them are 30 plus years old.
Some like the M&Ps are newer to use . Are they best at anything ?? NO . Just the run of the mill functional handgun.

To bad there are closed minded brand snobs .

Rifles are a whole other group.

 

[dipperdave]

I have used a Kahr P9 with night sights for several years as my warm weather carry gun. It has been perfect. As a long time S&W revolver fan the long smooth pull of the Kahr trigger was very natural for me. I like dit when I first tried it and I like it now. The Kahr manual said to fire about 200 rounds before considering the gun broken in. Mine has about 1500 rounds through it and not one single problem. It just plain works so I have nothing bad to say about it. I will never, ever own another Kahr, but the reason for that is off topic for this thread.

I've only been on a Kahr forum very briefly a couple of times but, surely they aren't as fanatical as the hardcore Glock fanboys. Those people are unreal and abrasive as well. I say that as the mostly satisfied owner of three Glocks. They are good guns, but a loooong way from the Glock Perfection their fanboys preach.

I have been looking at the Shield and am going to pick one up soon. I really like the Smith M&P polymer guns. They've hit a home run with this design and I think the Shield will fit right in with my other handguns.

No one should ever be a brand fanatic, regardless if it is Kahr, Glock or Smith & Wesson. Over the years I have owned only Smith & Wesson revolvers because I think they are the best. But, if you like Ruger better that's okay with me. Its your money, not mine.

By the way, I disagree with the posts that say you should never get rid of a gun once you acquire it. No way. I have owned dozens and dozens of Smith revolvers, over & under shotguns, bolt action rifles and other guns over the years. I've got to shoot and use a lot of different stuff and then sell or trade for something else. It's worked great for me and I have greatly enjoyed greatly the experience of shooting those many different guns. I enjoyed my ex-guns but there are only a couple I regret selling, both of them -2 S&W N-Frames.

 

[M29since14]

...But the 5 oz heavier weight and size on the Shield vs. PM9 is not insignificant to me.

Size, shape, weight, capacity, external safeties, sights, perceived accuracy, etc., etc., are all being pushed about as hard as they can be in the design and manufacture of mass-produced min-/micro-9s. I did not realize there was that much difference in weight between the Shield and the PM9, but it does not surprise given how much more pleasant the Shield is to fire than the Kahr. I like the Kahr and trust it to do its job, but it is not much fun to shoot more than a 20-25 rounds.

...For me, it has been a journey that is continuing. No one manufacturer has a monopoly on all the answers. There are pluses and minuses for all.

It's always been that way. I used to keep a chart of the size, weight, and capacity of the various CC guns I either owned or had the opportunity to tinker with. I'm sure I could have gotten along just fine with any one of those guns, but there was always a temptation to find something better or more efficient. Interestingly in the 45-years I have been nosing around into such things, two old designs still stand solidly in contention - at least in my mind: the airweight chief, at around 15-17 ounces, and the lightweight Commander at around 25-33 ounces (unloaded/loaded). I suppose if you are a fan of carrying 15+ rounds in the gun, more recent weapons will give you a different impression.

 

[Ron AZ]

I like the Kahr and trust it to do its job, but it is not much fun to shoot more than a 20-25 rounds.

… but there was always a temptation to find something better or more efficient.

I used to keep a chart of the size, weight, and capacity of the various CC guns I either owned or had the opportunity to tinker with.

Yeah, that is why I sold the PM40 and kept the PM9. Oh, I can shoot up a box or 2 ammo in the PM9 fine. But definitely not a "let's have fun target shooting at 25 yds" gun.

How true for me too. Not the latest and greatest flash or fad, but true innovation or a better balance of all the competing tradeoffs.

Yes, once I thought about getting another M&P, I've got a handwritten chart with specs on top my desk for the M&P22c, M&P9c, M&P Shield, Kahr PM9, G23, G26, and G19. Helps me look at the ones I am considering and say "now, how much different is it really from the 3 on the list that I already have".

I was starting to look for something in 9 mm between my PM9 and G23 weight, size, and capacity. Based on the specs, I was starting to rule out the Shield. But I hear your comment that it is more pleasant to shoot, so I will probably get one in my hand and some rounds downrange. I think there is a niche there that I would carry often, ideally the weight of the Shield 9 but with the 10-12 round capacity of the G26 or 9c. Have not found that yet.

 

[carbuff]

I own a CM40 and a 40 Shield

I log onto various internet gun forums because I want to learn about specific handguns from those who had practical everyday experience.

I have benefitted by being drawn into a comradery with people who share my interest in firearms. I enjoy reading passionate comments based upon fact and actual experience. I consider those writers as Class individuals. I appreciate that they take time to educate me about the many aspects of gun ownership by responding to my postings of questions or my general comments. I am indebted to these people. They have taught me a great deal.

I have also observed a minority of individual who respond to challenges to their ideas with contempt. They do not engage in lively discussion because they are intellectually inept. if their ideas are challenged, they resort to flaming. This is especially true of the “fan boys” who zealously refute any comment they deem an aspersion against their chosen firearm. They are mentally juvenile. They fail to comprehend that gracious debate is the cornerstone of knowledge. Resorting to childish petulance prohibits them from learning matters important from others who by their experience may know more than they do.

The lively debate pitting the attributes and failures of specific classes of pistol made by Kahr and S&W can be illuminating, interesting and informative.

I own a Kahr CM4043 and a M&P 40 Shield. I have carried each of them as a daily CCW pistol. Both are well made and in my opinion do the jobs for which they were designed.

One might be a better gun than the other for certain specific reasons. Nevertheless, either will stop an attacker at close quarters when in the hands of a trained gun handler.

Of the two, I prefer the 40 Shield because it fits my hand better, has a greater capacity and has less recoil allowing me to realign on target a fraction faster. The only factor that places the Kahr in a superior position is that it fits better in my pocket than the Shield. But since, either can reside hidden in a paddle holster on my hip, I do not consider this to be of significance.

Since both have been completely reliable during my ownership, I would have no hesitation recommending either for concealed carry purposes.

 

[2tango2]

Own a 9C, Shield 9mm and a VTAC 9mm.

Also own from Kahr- CW9, CT9, K9 (talk about a beautiful pistol), CW380 and a CT45. A P9 from Buds with n/s is on the way as I type this.

The triggers on M&P's and Kahrs are night and day...meaning 2 totally different triggers.

I like both brands and own others as well: Sig, SA, Ruger etc.....

I will say the long butter smooth trigger of a Kahr is not for everyone..but if it is for you , you love it

 

[flint66]

i have a kahr pm 40, a s&w 40c and also a glock 23. i like them all they all do what there made to do, each to me has its time and place. life is t short to argue of the dumb thinks. everyone has there likes and dislikes thats what makes the world go around.

 

[John R]

The Kahr's I've shot were nice guns, but for the money the Shield is way more gun.

 

[hardluk1]

Snobbish gun owners are all the same . Does not matter if its kahr , m&p , glock, sig , colt , what ever . If you think any one brand is all that your just a snob. are a newbe that's simple not lived yet . Same goes with motorcyles , cars ,boat . No one brand is all that.

I carried a Taurus snubby for 20 years , moved to a kahr for the same basic type trigger pull I know so well and carried them for some years and many thousands of trouble free rounds fired . I like the idea of a truly small 9mm up to commander sized pistol that is thin and all function and feel the same with the same natural point of aim and trigger pull. Also had m&ps as a fun guns but after hand surgery I needed a softer shooter so I'll carry the M&P for now . Maybe a HK down the road . I enjoy several makes of 1911's and revolvers and a couple other semi-auto brands . They all have one thang in common . Even with the difference in single stack ,double stack , different trigger types and calibers there all enjoyable to shot and all reliable . Open your eyes , snobs are everywhere .

Learn to think outside a brand box as there a lot of very nice products to own out there to own, learn about and enjoy .

 

[AVG]

Who cares what other people think. I have Sig's, H&k's, S&w's ,CZ's and what did I carry for two years a KAHR CM9 .I paid $399.00 for it new back then. A reliable and accurate gun with no hang ups.. I gave it to my son and he loves it. He did not have the money to buy one. My S&W's are 1911PC and a M&P CORE with a 40 & 9mm barrels, so who needs a shield

 

[just for fun]

Have I told you lately why a Thinking Man will always buy a Chevy truck over a Ford or even a Dodge! While I'm at it, "if's not a glock, sell it. Oh, Boy! the list goes on and on! Who was that said- You can't fix stupid!