Anyone notice this issue with their Shield?

[kris7047th]

I notice you referenced "(it's a 40)" where did you get your 40? A S&W Rep told me the 40s would not ship until mid to late May. She may have be refering to the region where I reside.

They are out.

 

[kris7047th]

I normally keep my thumb on the back of the slide when I holster my weapon which is the reason I'm not concerned with this at all. I've never had an out of battery issue when drawing this weapon.

I am interested, however, in finding out if S&W sees this as an issue. I look forward to their feedback.

Me too. I believe one guy spoke with a S&W rep and he was told to shoot it 200 + rounds for the break in. Should it continue to call them back. My 9c has been extremely reliable for the past two years, and I never even knew that it could do this until I made it happen. Both have tight springs.

 

[Moonman]

kris7047th,

I make my own DUMMY ROUNDS all the time.

I use Brass, NO PRIMER (replaced with Blue ATV Silicone) and when set up, trimmed with a razor blade,

NO POWDER, Bullet, and also a small hole drilled in the side of the brass to show as a dummy also.

 

[107main]

Folks, we a living in a "throw away world" of cheap products. Guns are, in most cases" no different. I had not bought any guns in many years, but went out looking at new ones (the plastic frame ones). I call them plastic, but just because I dont know all the different technical names for the material used in making the frames. I, personally, think they all seem cheap. I look at the old ones from years ago and see the quality and reliability. I do not think most of what we are buying will be working in 75-100 years from now, but the old ones will still function perfectly if cared for. Maybe I am wrong, but I see so many problems with new guns. I rarely saw that in the 60-70's except with the so called Saturday night specials. Of course, there was no internet then, but word did still get around. Back in those days, I did buy a S&W Escort 22. It was a piece of junk then and I got rid of it. Dont remember the details, but I did not trust it. It was built well, but it had problems, dont remember what. I did buy Colt 25 Jr back then, it was Colt mede in USA. There was a recall, that I have yet to do to replace the firing pin as it could fire if dropped when chamber loaded. Still, it is a well made gun, unlike what I see today. I may just choose an old J frame S&W to carry if I can find what I want, preferably a air weight one and NOT a new one. I looked at them and they just dont seem to be made as well as the old ones. However, after saying this, a newly made one will do for a carry gun since they are not usually shot that much, except for some of you that do. To each his own.

 

[EvilBetty]

My 9mm dummy rounds look a lot like that.

 

[Fercho64]

Randy,

Most of us appreciate the time you and your friend took to make the video and keep us updated on your findings. I look forward to your update once S&W returns the firearm.
I'm not worried about the issue but I'm interested in what S&W has to say about this.

Yes, Thank You.

 

[JimC]

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

+1
I saw that also.

 

[blujax01]

Those of you trying to inject common sense into the conversation may as well hang it up.

The Internets have a new toy to tear apart and no amount of logic will sway them.

We can only hope S&W will survive the onslaught.

Out ...

 

[shipwreck]

Those of you trying to inject common sense into the conversation may as well hang it up.

The Internets have a new toy to tear apart and no amount of logic will sway them.

We can only hope S&W will survive the onslaught.

Out ...

 

[macski222]

Shipwreck, I suspect that if you, or anyone else on this forum for that matter, who are flaming people for their concern over this issue, owned an m&p with an external safety that could be manipulated and engaged accidentally without your knowledge, preventing you from firing the gun when you needed it to fire, it would indeed be a problem for you. I'm not looking to hear "oh I'd never own a pistol with an external safety" or anything along those lines.. I'm just trying to point out that if you can bump a firearm the wrong way and have it not fire when you need it to, it is absolutely an issue, plain and simple. I'm having a real hard time understanding if it's just the s&w kool aid that you guys are drinking or what.. but I don't care what brand of gun it is, if can be knocked out of battery like this, it's something that should be addressed.

Like I stated earlier, I have a mp9c that exhibits this behavior. Have I ever had it happen while unholstering or reholstering? No. Is it possible that it could happen when in the heat of the moment? Yes, it is without a doubt a possibility. If I'm trusting this tool with the life of myself and my loved ones, it would be in my best interest to ensure that it is going to go bang when I need it to go bang

 

[offensive]

Got 1200rds through mine now and it doesn't seem to do it anymore unless I try to make it do it.


Rounds that I have fired through my Shield successfully.

American Eagle 147gr 200rds
Winchester WB 115gr 300rds
Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P 100rds
Federal Champion 115gr 250rds
Aguila Target 124gr 150rds
Winchester SXZ 115gr 100rds
Speer Lawman 124gr 100rds

I have had my Shield since April 13th.

I have to agree with break in and tight tolerances being the Phantom Culprit(Menace). I clean mine after every range trip and lubricate it according to the owners manual. Only issue I have had is the white dot fell out of the sight on the right rear.

 

[shipwreck]

Shipwreck, I suspect that if you, or anyone else on this forum for that matter, who are flaming people for their concern over this issue, owned an m&p with an external safety that could be manipulated and engaged accidentally without your knowledge, preventing you from firing the gun when you needed it to fire, it would indeed be a problem for you. I'm not looking to hear "oh I'd never own a pistol with an external safety" or anything along those lines.. I'm just trying to point out that if you can bump a firearm the wrong way and have it not fire when you need it to, it is absolutely an issue, plain and simple. I'm having a real hard time understanding if it's just the s&w kool aid that you guys are drinking or what.. but I don't care what brand of gun it is, if can be knocked out of battery like this, it's something that should be addressed.

Like I stated earlier, I have a mp9c that exhibits this behavior. Have I ever had it happen while unholstering or reholstering? No. Is it possible that it could happen when in the heat of the moment? Yes, it is without a doubt a possibility. If I'm trusting this tool with the life of myself and my loved ones, it would be in my best interest to ensure that it is going to go bang when I need it to go bang

Actually, I never even liked M&Ps until the Shield came out. I am a Beretta 92 nut with 9 of them and a PX4. I did once own a SW99, which was a decent gun.

This is not an external safety issue. Some like safeties, some do not. I don't mind them, but do generally like DA/SA guns.

However, as stated before in numerous posts - MANY semi autos of all makes and models will not close the slide automatically if you pull it back a little. And, I've personally had experiences with new leather holsters that can push the slide back when you insert it into the holster. With some break in, this goes away.

If the original guy who started this has a pocket holster that is NOT made out of leather, then he needs a new holster - as nylon and kydex doesn't normally need any break in. Then his holster is too tight.

I have tried all sorts of stuff with my shield since this first started. I pocket carry mine everyday outside of work. Before that, I pocket carried a Kahr PM9. NEITHER gun has ever had the slide come back in any shape or form while sitting in my pocket holster.

This is not about S&W koolaid. I don't have any, actually (I;ve got tons of Beretta koolaid, though )

Its about people who probably don't have much experience with semi autos, looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Then creating their own solutions that probably aren't a good idea.

Now, not every gun is perfect. Will there be some LEGITIMATE problems with the Shield - yes. EVERY gun, no matter how well made, has problems. I had an issue with a $3k 1911 a few years ago, right out of the box. I waited 12 months for it to be built too. People have issues with Glocks, Sigs, and even my loved Berettas can unfortunately have problems for some. Issues are issues. Sometimes brand new guns have teething problems. Ruger has had this a lot in recent years.

But THIS supposed "problem" is ridiculous, IMHO. So yes, I am making light of it..

 

[kris7047th]

Actually, I never even liked M&Ps until the Shield came out. I am a Beretta 92 nut with 9 of them and a PX4. I did once own a SW99, which was a decent gun.

This is not an external safety issue. Some like safeties, some do not. I don't mind them, but do generally like DA/SA guns.

However, as stated before in numerous posts - MANY semi autos of all makes and models will not close the slide automatically if you pull it back a little. And, I've personally had experiences with new leather holsters that can push the slide back when you insert it into the holster. With some break in, this goes away.

If the original guy who started this has a pocket holster that is NOT made out of leather, then he needs a new holster - as nylon and kydex doesn't normally need any break in. Then his holster is too tight.

I have tried all sorts of stuff with my shield since this first started. I pocket carry mine everyday outside of work. Before that, I pocket carried a Kahr PM9. NEITHER gun has ever had the slide come back in any shape or form while sitting in my pocket holster.

This is not about S&W koolaid. I don't have any, actually (I;ve got tons of Beretta koolaid, though )

Its about people who probably don't have much experience with semi autos, looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Then creating their own solutions that probably aren't a good idea.

Now, not every gun is perfect. Will there be some LEGITIMATE problems with the Shield - yes. EVERY gun, no matter how well made, has problems. I had an issue with a $3k 1911 a few years ago, right out of the box. I waited 12 months for it to be built too. People have issues with Glocks, Sigs, and even my loves Berettas. Issues are issues. Sometimes brand new guns have teething problems. Ruger has had this a lot in recent years.

But THIS supposed "problem" is ridiculous, IMHO. So yes, I am making light of it..

Well said sir !!

 

[Nakanokalronin]

I may have thought twice about posting this here if I knew the outcome. In any case, there is a simple solution to see if this is an issue....

Those of you with a Shield and dummy rounds should holster and unholster the gun around 50 times each with a dummy round in the chamber and a full magazine in the grip. Safety on or off, it dosn't matter and then you can post weather the slide stays out of battery at all during those 50 times.

Report back weather it does or dosn't go out of battery and mention what type of holster you are using as well. I think that's a pretty simple test that might shed some light on this subject.

 

[Lee in Quartzsite]

I have well over your count of 50 using my Crossbreed SuperTuck IWB and never had a problem. The holster is actually for my M&P9 Compact but the Shield fits just fine. Same with my Galco Stinger OWB leather holster. The biggest problem with my Shield is that in the past 2 1/2 weeks I have shot up a ton of ammo and that has lightened my wallet. It's a fun gun to shoot...been shooting it everyday since I brought it home.

Out of all the Shield posts on the many gun forums I have visited, I have yet to find one person who has had a gun fail for any reason. Self-induced problems are not the guns fault.

 

[macski222]

Mechanical Failure- A malfunction consisting of cracking, excessive displacement, misalignment, loosening, etc.

 

[IllinoisCCW]

I have well over your count of 50 using my Crossbreed SuperTuck IWB and never had a problem. The holster is actually for my M&P9 Compact but the Shield fits just fine. Same with my Galco Stinger OWB leather holster. The biggest problem with my Shield is that in the past 2 1/2 weeks I have shot up a ton of ammo and that has lightened my wallet. It's a fun gun to shoot...been shooting it everyday since I brought it home.

Out of all the Shield posts on the many gun forums I have visited, I have yet to find one person who has had a gun fail for any reason. Self-induced problems are not the guns fault.

Went to the range to test. Used a Blackhawks flat belt with my Shield 40 and 9. I holstered after each round fired and never went out of battery. I also was trained to place my thumb over the back of the slide when holstering....during this test I did not. Didn't have a single issue with it going out of battery...although I can manually replicate the issue manually and intentionally. IT'S NOT A DEFECT!!!

 

[Aahzz]

I may have thought twice about posting this here if I knew the outcome. In any case, there is a simple solution to see if this is an issue....

Those of you with a Shield and dummy rounds should holster and unholster the gun around 50 times each with a dummy round in the chamber and a full magazine in the grip. Safety on or off, it dosn't matter and then you can post weather the slide stays out of battery at all during those 50 times.

Report back weather it does or dosn't go out of battery and mention what type of holster you are using as well. I think that's a pretty simple test that might shed some light on this subject.

Mine's been carried daily for a couple weeks now, and I have practiced from draw on the range. Not once has it come out of battery, either in my quite form-fitting RKBA Kydex holster or in my leather pocket holster. It gets removed from my pocket at the end of each day, still loaded, obviously, as it's a carry gun. It has not gone out of battery. Not once. Not even a little.

 

[Nakanokalronin]

Seems to be looking good so far.

 

[kris7047th]

Folks, we a living in a "throw away world" of cheap products. Guns are, in most cases" no different. I had not bought any guns in many years, but went out looking at new ones (the plastic frame ones). I call them plastic, but just because I dont know all the different technical names for the material used in making the frames. I, personally, think they all seem cheap. I look at the old ones from years ago and see the quality and reliability. I do not think most of what we are buying will be working in 75-100 years from now, but the old ones will still function perfectly if cared for. Maybe I am wrong, but I see so many problems with new guns. I rarely saw that in the 60-70's except with the so called Saturday night specials. Of course, there was no internet then, but word did still get around. Back in those days, I did buy a S&W Escort 22. It was a piece of junk then and I got rid of it. Dont remember the details, but I did not trust it. It was built well, but it had problems, dont remember what. I did buy Colt 25 Jr back then, it was Colt mede in USA. There was a recall, that I have yet to do to replace the firing pin as it could fire if dropped when chamber loaded. Still, it is a well made gun, unlike what I see today. I may just choose an old J frame S&W to carry if I can find what I want, preferably a air weight one and NOT a new one. I looked at them and they just dont seem to be made as well as the old ones. However, after saying this, a newly made one will do for a carry gun since they are not usually shot that much, except for some of you that do. To each his own.

Have you held/shot/inspected the Shield? It is not cheap junk and does not shoot like it either. More experienced shooters have put thousands of rounds through M&Ps and other makes such as Glock without ever a cleaning (just good lubing as needed) and these guns continue to run without failure. I don't call that cheap junk.