Anyone notice this issue with their Shield?

[wachuko]

Take it out and shoot the heck out of it. Enjoy!

ps . get a decent holster. The IWB Galco natural leather isn't expensive and won't cause it to go out of battery .. I know I also just received my RCS Raven Concealment Systems Phantom for the Shield. I bought the Galco because I thought I would have a looonng wait for the Raven .. lol

And lube it where it says on the barrel and other key points.

Thank you! A friend gave me an IWB Galco B129L TUC286, I think it was for a Glock 26.. brand new and still in the box... I need to break it in...

Also got a few snaps caps to practice... not my first gun, but first one that I will use regularly for CC.

 

[Fercho64]

I dont belive in just taking a post apart, wanted to post the entire thread. I tried to link but I guess I was in violation so I copy and pasted.

I am not going to pre judge anyone's video agenda, Regardless of who it is or who he works for,its a legimate complaint. This issue has been brought up with another M&P and people seem to work around it and or find a solution. Its nothing new.

After 400-500 rounds I belive my gun has been properly broken in without a single failure.

I firmly belive the solution may reside on the spring, with that being said, Prior M&P models were fitted with a stiffer spring due to FTE, so you have to be careful on what you do to the gun as it is the same design. Most likely I will order a spring and cut 1/4 coil first and put a few hundred rounds thru it and see what happens.

I carry my SHIELD on the rear pocket of my passenger seat on my SUV for fast access with no holster.

People will always try to diminish somelese's accomplishments, unfortunately that is the way business is done. IT SUCKS IMO .

Its your money and your gun, you have choices on what to buy. I bough a SHIELD because I wanted to try it and like it so far and am buying two more.

A gun should be 100% reliable and troubles free from day one, so keep shooting it to solve a problem if there is one is not a solution, it just tells me that its a bad design or not properly fitted. I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS A CASE HERE.

Its true that mechanical things get smoother with usage but should not be more reliable,it should be easier to operate. Reliability is what we pay for from the begining.

 

[SteveInAustin]

Because you have a FULL SIZE. The spring isn't as tight compared to a compact and the Shield. GEESH

What part of "Not trying to argue with anyone on whether this is/is not an issue. Just reporting what I was told by S&W." do you not comprehend?
I never said I had a problem with it. I just called S&W to get their take since there are so many people concerned. I, for one, am not.
I don't think this is an issue but I'm certainly not going to berate someone who does. To each their own.

 

[DocGlock]

I really have to wonder about the *agenda* behind the video provided in the OP. The guy was a moron with his hand in front of a LOADED gun and a finger curled over the trigger guard !! Doh ..

I don't know if he has any agenda or not, but is English a second language for the people calling him a moron? I looked at his post yesterday, and he stated that it was loaded with a "dummy" round he had made (no primer or powder). What was unsafe or "moronic" about that?

 

[Aahzz]

I don't know if he has any agenda or not, but is English a second language for the people calling him a moron? I looked at his post yesterday, and he stated that it was loaded with a "dummy" round he had made (no primer or powder). What was unsafe or "moronic" about that?

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

 

[kris7047th]

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

Yup! Look again people .. it is NOT a dummy round. I saved the you tube. The round in the chamber is shinny brassish, not red or plastic yellow.

 

[DocGlock]

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

At least that's two of us that saw it.

 

[growr]

dummy round

He indeed was using dummy rounds....made by ME. There was NEVER a live round in the gun in the demonstration. There was nothing unsafe in the demo.
There is also NO agenda in his voicing or demonstrating his concern, he owns many M&P's and holds them in the highest regard.

End of story.

Randy

I don't know if he has any agenda or not, but is English a second language for the people calling him a moron? I looked at his post yesterday, and he stated that it was loaded with a "dummy" round he had made (no primer or powder). What was unsafe or "moronic" about that?

 

[kris7047th]

He indeed was using dummy rounds....made by ME. There was NEVER a live round in the gun in the demonstration. There was nothing unsafe in the demo.
There is also NO agenda in his voicing or demonstrating his concern, he owns many M&P's and holds them in the highest regard.

End of story.

Randy

Then you both should know this is a non issue with a new gun. Just way over exaggerated as being an issue. What was the point of using a dummy round ? What forum was the video originally posted on?

 

[colwhelen1]

Shield out of Battery

Just after getting my Shield I went to the range fired 2 boxes of FMJ ammo with no problems then a few rounds later, my attorney, of all people, was firing the Shield with an assortment of ammo when the casing of a GECO round blew out the bottom over the feed ramp. The gun spit fire and powder residue out the sides and into his face. The magazine blew out and his hand was badly stung and was painful for a while. Like a broken baseball bat or something like that. The only thing I can figure is fail to lock into battery. He is not experienced with semi autos and maybe missed something when firing. The blown out round was the last one in the magazine. The gun is back at the factory and did not seem to be damaged but would not lock the slide back on either mazazine. The bigger magazine was in the gun at the time and does not appear damaged and is at the factory also. I fear the frame might be sprung out of alignment. Anyway I would be extra careful shooting your Shield until you are sure there are no similar issues. I love the gun by the way. The successful ammo I fired was a box of Winchester white box and a box of aluminum Blazer.

 

[DocGlock]

What was the point of using a dummy round ?

So nobody would call him a moron about to shoot a hole in his hand

 

[kris7047th]

So nobody would call him a moron about to shoot a hole in his hand

Ah .. but he admitted to not stating it was a dummy round. Why put anything in the chamber at all to demonstrate his point? After all, it had nothing to do with the chamber.

 

[kris7047th]

Just after getting my Shield I went to the range fired 2 boxes of FMJ ammo with no problems then a few rounds later, my attorney, of all people, was firing the Shield with an assortment of ammo when the casing of a GECO round blew out the bottom over the feed ramp. The gun spit fire and powder residue out the sides and into his face. The magazine blew out and his hand was badly stung and was painful for a while. Like a broken baseball bat or something like that. The only thing I can figure is fail to lock into battery. He is not experienced with semi autos and maybe missed something when firing. The blown out round was the last one in the magazine. The gun is back at the factory and did not seem to be damaged but would not lock the slide back on either mazazine. The bigger magazine was in the gun at the time and does not appear damaged and is at the factory also. I fear the frame might be sprung out of alignment. Anyway I would be extra careful shooting your Shield until you are sure there are no similar issues. I love the gun by the way. The successful ammo I fired was a box of Winchester white box and a box of aluminum Blazer.

Box of assorted ammo .. sounds like he might have fired a bad round. There are maaannnyy reports from the range and incredibly very few FTF's and FTE's, let alone a round blowing out a mag. I remember when the Ruger LCP came out and some buyers were putting really hot loads +p and causing damage. Ruger had several LCPs returned from damage due to too hot of loads and started a list of ammo brands not to use.

 

[growr]

Ah .. but he admitted to not stating it was a dummy round. Why put anything in the chamber at all to demonstrate his point? After all, it had nothing to do with the chamber.

Kris7047
Dummy rounds were used for SAFETY reasons! What part of this is hard to understand? I'm the one that told him to use them.

The gun does not mis-behave when empty, only with rounds in the magazine. Therefore the use of DUMMY ROUNDS was the only logical solution for his demonstration

Randy

 

[kris7047th]

Kris7047
Dummy rounds were used for SAFETY reasons! What part of this is hard to understand? I'm the one that told him to use them.

The gun does not mis-behave when empty, only with rounds in the magazine. Therefore the use of DUMMY ROUNDS was the only logical solution for his demonstration

Randy

Got it. Still didn't say what forum this was first posted on.

 

[growr]

concealedcarryforum.com

 

[SteveInAustin]

Kris7047
Dummy rounds were used for SAFETY reasons! What part of this is hard to understand? I'm the one that told him to use them.

The gun does not mis-behave when empty, only with rounds in the magazine. Therefore the use of DUMMY ROUNDS was the only logical solution for his demonstration

Randy

Randy,

Most of us appreciate the time you and your friend took to make the video and keep us updated on your findings. I look forward to your update once S&W returns the firearm.
I'm not worried about the issue but I'm interested in what S&W has to say about this.

 

[kris7047th]

Here is my 2 yr old M&P9c same thing .. if I make it happen. This has never happened from a holster, or ever by accident. Easy way to prevent it from happening by thumb on the slide when drawing.

 

[SteveInAustin]

Here is my 2 yr old M&P9c same thing .. if I make it happen. This has never happened from a holster, or ever by accident. Easy way to prevent it from happening by thumb on the slide when drawing.

I normally keep my thumb on the back of the slide when I holster my weapon which is the reason I'm not concerned with this at all. I've never had an out of battery issue when drawing this weapon.

I am interested, however, in finding out if S&W sees this as an issue. I look forward to their feedback.

 

[RetCIPicker]

Re: Shield .40

Wow... I only pocket carry fully loaded. +1 and have since I walked out of the LGS

Mine does not go out of battery like that video I just tried and it's loaded with TAP 180gr

( it's a 40 )

Hopefully more will chime in , that's very weird and scary.


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I notice you referenced "(it's a 40)" where did you get your 40? A S&W Rep told me the 40s would not ship until mid to late May. She may have be refering to the region where I reside.

 

[kris7047th]

I notice you referenced "(it's a 40)" where did you get your 40? A S&W Rep told me the 40s would not ship until mid to late May. She may have be refering to the region where I reside.

They are out.

 

[kris7047th]

I normally keep my thumb on the back of the slide when I holster my weapon which is the reason I'm not concerned with this at all. I've never had an out of battery issue when drawing this weapon.

I am interested, however, in finding out if S&W sees this as an issue. I look forward to their feedback.

Me too. I believe one guy spoke with a S&W rep and he was told to shoot it 200 + rounds for the break in. Should it continue to call them back. My 9c has been extremely reliable for the past two years, and I never even knew that it could do this until I made it happen. Both have tight springs.

 

[Moonman]

kris7047th,

I make my own DUMMY ROUNDS all the time.

I use Brass, NO PRIMER (replaced with Blue ATV Silicone) and when set up, trimmed with a razor blade,

NO POWDER, Bullet, and also a small hole drilled in the side of the brass to show as a dummy also.

 

[107main]

Folks, we a living in a "throw away world" of cheap products. Guns are, in most cases" no different. I had not bought any guns in many years, but went out looking at new ones (the plastic frame ones). I call them plastic, but just because I dont know all the different technical names for the material used in making the frames. I, personally, think they all seem cheap. I look at the old ones from years ago and see the quality and reliability. I do not think most of what we are buying will be working in 75-100 years from now, but the old ones will still function perfectly if cared for. Maybe I am wrong, but I see so many problems with new guns. I rarely saw that in the 60-70's except with the so called Saturday night specials. Of course, there was no internet then, but word did still get around. Back in those days, I did buy a S&W Escort 22. It was a piece of junk then and I got rid of it. Dont remember the details, but I did not trust it. It was built well, but it had problems, dont remember what. I did buy Colt 25 Jr back then, it was Colt mede in USA. There was a recall, that I have yet to do to replace the firing pin as it could fire if dropped when chamber loaded. Still, it is a well made gun, unlike what I see today. I may just choose an old J frame S&W to carry if I can find what I want, preferably a air weight one and NOT a new one. I looked at them and they just dont seem to be made as well as the old ones. However, after saying this, a newly made one will do for a carry gun since they are not usually shot that much, except for some of you that do. To each his own.

 

[EvilBetty]

My 9mm dummy rounds look a lot like that.

 

[Fercho64]

Randy,

Most of us appreciate the time you and your friend took to make the video and keep us updated on your findings. I look forward to your update once S&W returns the firearm.
I'm not worried about the issue but I'm interested in what S&W has to say about this.

Yes, Thank You.

 

[JimC]

He added that statement AFTER being called out on this and other forums. From the initial post, it appeared that it was a live round.

+1
I saw that also.

 

[blujax01]

Those of you trying to inject common sense into the conversation may as well hang it up.

The Internets have a new toy to tear apart and no amount of logic will sway them.

We can only hope S&W will survive the onslaught.

Out ...

 

[shipwreck]

Those of you trying to inject common sense into the conversation may as well hang it up.

The Internets have a new toy to tear apart and no amount of logic will sway them.

We can only hope S&W will survive the onslaught.

Out ...

 

[macski222]

Shipwreck, I suspect that if you, or anyone else on this forum for that matter, who are flaming people for their concern over this issue, owned an m&p with an external safety that could be manipulated and engaged accidentally without your knowledge, preventing you from firing the gun when you needed it to fire, it would indeed be a problem for you. I'm not looking to hear "oh I'd never own a pistol with an external safety" or anything along those lines.. I'm just trying to point out that if you can bump a firearm the wrong way and have it not fire when you need it to, it is absolutely an issue, plain and simple. I'm having a real hard time understanding if it's just the s&w kool aid that you guys are drinking or what.. but I don't care what brand of gun it is, if can be knocked out of battery like this, it's something that should be addressed.

Like I stated earlier, I have a mp9c that exhibits this behavior. Have I ever had it happen while unholstering or reholstering? No. Is it possible that it could happen when in the heat of the moment? Yes, it is without a doubt a possibility. If I'm trusting this tool with the life of myself and my loved ones, it would be in my best interest to ensure that it is going to go bang when I need it to go bang