Anyone qualified under HR218?

[Marc1911]

"Answer to the second question: There are ABSOLUTELY NO KNOWN INSTANCES of "RETIRED COPS" being arrested in ANY jurisdiction."

Not true anymore.

This is a bit unsettling. 4 washington law enforcement officers are being charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit along with a bunch of other crap in South Dakota after a shooting in Sturgis that involved a Hells Angel who along with a bunch of his buddies attacked the cop who did the shooting.

And ATF says that the LEOUSA doesn't apply because it was never implemented by it federal rule making agency.

Link to story. http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/articles/2008/08/29/new...e086e0d898298826.txt

 

[Fastbolt]

Well, this certainly merits watching.

 

[Captain38]

An old saying comes to mind after reading the BATF's Ms. Dipirro's comment; it has something to do with a "Christmas turkey".

LEOSA's legitmacy WAS acknowledged early on by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft himself when he wrote the widely distributed memo specifying those Justice Department divisions whose officers were covered by it.

We'll see.

 

[ispcapt]

Captain38 is exactly correct. The ATF spokesperson has his fill of Christmas turkey. How many other federal laws are passed, signed and implemented everyday without any rule making agency? One thing is for certain it's not the ATF's job to implement anything involving LEOSA. LEOSA doesn't need a federal rule making agency as it's not a federal agency's responsibility to do anything at all with LEOSA.
One of the local PD commanders from around here was charged and convicted in MO for unlawful use of a weapon. His circumstances for the charge resulted from the same as the Seattle LEO in Sturgis - mixing firearms with alcohol. That is a violation of LEOSA, not because some ATF toad says a there was no federal rule making agency.

 

[xray97]

Originally posted by Fastbolt:
I'm looking into either WA or OR for my retirement.

The lack of a state income tax in WA is attractive (from the perspective of a retirement 'pat-raise').

Anybody have any info for the southern end of WA & the northern end of OR? The area to either side of the Columbia River, so to speak.

Lake Oswego Or. P.D., a suburb of Portland, conducts a qualification each May and opens it up for all retirees meeting the requirements. They charge a minimal fee (about $30) and issue pictured I.D. to those qualifying.

 

[retiredswine]

For you retiree's from the Federal Prison System,..... is there any chance of a class action lawsuite against them for refusing to comply with a Federal Law? Can anyone more knowledgable than I weight in on this.

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by retiredswine:
For you retiree's from the Federal Prison System,..... is there any chance of a class action lawsuite against them for refusing to comply with a Federal Law? Can anyone more knowledgable than I weight in on this.

There is no requirement in the legislation that agencies must provide the training. Yes, that's sad albeit true.

Be safe.

 

[wheelgun1958]

 

[DrJohn102]

As a retired police sergeant, i also have qualified in illinois and truly owe the fop and others a debt of gratitude. the LEOSA did not specify that you have to qualify with only the weapons you're going to carry, however i did have to qualify with one revolver and one automatic through Bloomingdale P.D. home of the people who drafted the legislation and training! my hats off to them also! dr john

 

[Frank53]

I know this reply is to a dated post..but the BOP (Bureau of Prisons) is not refusing to abide by LEOSA. There is no requirement that the agency provide training under the law. They issue ID cards to retirees indicating they are a retired LEO. If you retire and its within a year of your firearms ART, you are covered under LEOSA until that year runs out. Then you have to qualify under your state of residence standards. That's where some BOP retirees run into issues. NY, for instance, from what I understand, have very few (One that I know of) agencies that will qualify retirees. In my state, it is not an issue, qualify once a year with the local PD, they issue a letter indicating you meet state standards, good for a year.

 

[LoboGunLeather]

HR 218? Never heard of it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Also, my retirement ID clearly states that concealed weapons are authorized.

I've been retired for 14 years, never been questioned about it, never had to explain it. Of course, when I carry concealed the weapon is concealed, so it is very unlikely to ever become an issue.
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[The Big D]

Originally posted by LoboGunLeather:
HR 218? Never heard of it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

Also, my retirement ID clearly states that concealed weapons are authorized.

I've been retired for 14 years, never been questioned about it, never had to explain it. Of course, when I carry concealed the weapon is concealed, so it is very unlikely to ever become an issue.
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LEOSA allows a qualified retired LEO to CCW in all jurisdictions...not just in the state wherein you reside.

Be safe.

 

[JamesArthur60]

Yes, I do once a year to maintain my qualification card. It's kinda silly, the course (to me) is so simple. I do think it's strange that you don't have to shoot your actual carry gun. I will now since I've found a 3913.

 

[fredzo]

I am an active duty LEO (corrections) in Delaware. I am covered by the law and by my department policy. I also have a valid state ccw permit as well as a PA non-resident permit. I am not restricted as to what gun I carry, just my choice. If and when I retire then the game changes slightly. If you read the law carefully you'll find that retired LEOs have to qualify with the TYPE of weapon they will carry. A lot of people don't like this but there it is.
Fredzo

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by fredzo:
I am an active duty LEO (corrections) in Delaware. I am covered by the law and by my department policy. I also have a valid state ccw permit as well as a PA non-resident permit. I am not restricted as to what gun I carry, just my choice. If and when I retire then the game changes slightly. If you read the law carefully you'll find that retired LEOs have to qualify with the TYPE of weapon they will carry. A lot of people don't like this but there it is.
Fredzo

Don't know if Fredzo is referring to the same definition re: "type" but it means semi-automatic and revolver. In Maryland, you may shoot the qualification with a semi-auto, a revolver, or both. Then you may carry any semi-auto, any revolver, or any semi-auto or any revolver.

Be safe.

 

[fredzo]

Big D,
The way the text reads is TYPE of weapon which should be pretty much self explanatory. This is in the retired LEO section of the text. This is also where some misinterpretation comes into play. Some of the antis are looking for anything to nulify the law or restrict who may carry. Seems to me that a Federal Law says it all, don't know how any jurisdiction can rule against it. I suppose it will have to go to court somewhere and be decided once and for all.
Here in Delaware the Council on Police Training is dead set against Correctional officers carrying and look for any loophole to prevent this from happening. Our department policy, signed off on by our comissioner states as long as we are carrying our dept. ID and gun qualification card, we are authorized to carry. Incidentally, the Delaware Code, Title 11 identifes Correctional officers as Law Enforcement Officers. The statement on the reverse of our photo IDs says" The bearer of this card shall have the full powers of a state police officer when 1.On duty in one of the correctional institutions, or 2.In charge of prisoners at any place in the state while going to or returning from such duty; or 3.Searching for escaped prisoners. Granted our jurisdiction is narrow, we are still LEOs.
Fredzo

 

[oldtrooper]

Yes. Retired state trooper here and we qualify once each year. Like Armadillo said earlier I have both the state CCW and the HR218 in my possession at all times.

 

[TXbug]

Originally posted by armadillo:
Yes. In Texas you can be qualified by a certified law enforcement instructor or a certified concealed carry instructor. Then the state will issue a qualification card for $25 per year. You also have to have a card from your former agency stating that you meet the requirements of HR 218 - retired in good statnding etc.

I have both the regular concealed carry permit and the HR218 cards in case I travel through a state that doesn't recognize the regular concealed carry permit.

The State of Texas will provide a "Retired Federal or Out-of-State Officer Firearms Proficiency" card for $25.00 good for a year to retired federal or out-of-state officers. Actually is not required to be legal, in Texas or anywhere else. And Texas does not have such a thing for retired Texas Law Enforcement Officers. It appears to be a courtesy for retired out-of-state officers living in Texas. The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 does not require such a thing. Among the usual, it requires annual qualification of the firearm used for carry.

The retired local officers go to the range yearly. They qualify and get a form notarized to that effect. That is all that is required along with the other things stated in he Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004.

And in the State of Texas, qualified retired LEO's and Federal officers, can carry where CCW/CHL cannot. Airports or portions there of and other such places that are off limits of active LEO's are off limits to qualified retired LEO's.

Furthermore it is not necessary for a qualified law enforcement officer to obtain a CCW/CHL. There is no such thing as reciprocity for a federally qualified LEO or retired LEO under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004. Legally such a person can carry in any locality, NYC included. But I would not try it.

Word of warning, I doubt that most law enforcement officers know about this.

 

[kennyb]

i'm not sure i'm following...are you saying a retired LEO can carry in all 50 states with no qualification on the range?

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by kennyb:
i'm not sure i'm following...are you saying a retired LEO can carry in all 50 states with no qualification on the range?

That is NOT true. One must qualify under the provisions of LEOSA.

Be safe.